1 00:00:06,110 --> 00:00:33,599 [Music] 2 00:00:39,689 --> 00:00:36,840 hello and welcome to the show I'm Martin 3 00:00:42,899 --> 00:00:39,699 Willis your host and I think we have a 4 00:00:44,789 --> 00:00:42,909 show for you this evening we I did what 5 00:00:47,399 --> 00:00:44,799 I always do and that is I do it a sound 6 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:47,409 test with our guest earlier on 7 00:00:53,459 --> 00:00:50,530 everything was just fine and now when we 8 00:00:57,179 --> 00:00:53,469 get him on skype he's saying hello hello 9 00:00:59,279 --> 00:00:57,189 that's all we got so far so we have bill 10 00:01:03,569 --> 00:00:59,289 in the background thank you Bill he's 11 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:03,579 going to try to work that out and so 12 00:01:08,969 --> 00:01:06,250 we're not really getting too far but 13 00:01:12,180 --> 00:01:08,979 we'll see how things go we get this news 14 00:01:14,190 --> 00:01:12,190 with Alejandro Rojas for about 15 15 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:14,200 minutes so during that time hopefully we 16 00:01:20,279 --> 00:01:17,530 will connect and anyway I want to thank 17 00:01:21,960 --> 00:01:20,289 everyone that supports the show anyone 18 00:01:27,149 --> 00:01:21,970 can support the show all you have to do 19 00:01:29,100 --> 00:01:27,159 is go over to podcast UFO comm and check 20 00:01:32,490 --> 00:01:29,110 it out over there also we have a new 21 00:01:34,320 --> 00:01:32,500 blog this week called rocking UFOs 22 00:01:36,960 --> 00:01:34,330 that's by Charles Lear and it's about 23 00:01:39,330 --> 00:01:36,970 some rock stars not all of them because 24 00:01:44,070 --> 00:01:39,340 a lot of them have had UFO experiences 25 00:01:46,729 --> 00:01:44,080 but some of them are there so go check 26 00:01:50,509 --> 00:01:46,739 that out over at podcast UFO comm and 27 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:50,519 our Facebook page we've got an or node 28 00:01:56,089 --> 00:01:53,410 23,000 or so people over there and the 29 00:01:59,490 --> 00:01:56,099 reason they're there is because Peggy in 30 00:02:01,919 --> 00:01:59,500 Las Vegas is kind enough to post a news 31 00:02:06,199 --> 00:02:01,929 story every day on there one kind or 32 00:02:08,190 --> 00:02:06,209 another in relation to UFOs or space 33 00:02:10,859 --> 00:02:08,200 interesting subjects things like that 34 00:02:13,309 --> 00:02:10,869 and I think it's about ready for me to 35 00:02:15,570 --> 00:02:13,319 stop talking and to get Alejandro in 36 00:02:15,860 --> 00:02:15,580 Alejandro how are you welcome to the 37 00:02:19,410 --> 00:02:15,870 show 38 00:02:21,869 --> 00:02:19,420 hello thank you for having me well you 39 00:02:25,259 --> 00:02:21,879 might have like you might not happen the 40 00:02:28,500 --> 00:02:25,269 whole show with me I know you got things 41 00:02:32,220 --> 00:02:28,510 to do but anyway deer in the headlights 42 00:02:36,390 --> 00:02:32,230 look so how you doing have you how you 43 00:02:38,070 --> 00:02:36,400 relaxed yet not really a little bit yeah 44 00:02:40,920 --> 00:02:38,080 hey I probably look better because I'm 45 00:02:43,650 --> 00:02:40,930 not totally freaked out but it's been 46 00:02:46,290 --> 00:02:43,660 kind of crazy in fact I am like super 47 00:02:47,199 --> 00:02:46,300 busy again because there was the UFO 48 00:02:51,940 --> 00:02:47,209 Congress 49 00:02:54,339 --> 00:02:51,950 we took a few days off and then I sold 50 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:54,349 my house and it sold weight more quickly 51 00:02:58,720 --> 00:02:55,970 than I expected 52 00:03:00,970 --> 00:02:58,730 and so I am literally moving out cuz I 53 00:03:02,860 --> 00:03:00,980 have to be out by the end of the week 54 00:03:05,890 --> 00:03:02,870 and in fact I'm temping to have 55 00:03:10,569 --> 00:03:05,900 everything ready tomorrow so yeah so 56 00:03:12,490 --> 00:03:10,579 it's goodness Wow and so why why am i 57 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:12,500 moving out of my house and what the heck 58 00:03:20,199 --> 00:03:15,290 is going on yeah just about ready to ask 59 00:03:23,559 --> 00:03:20,209 that the answers to that question may 60 00:03:26,940 --> 00:03:23,569 have implications in the UFO field which 61 00:03:30,129 --> 00:03:26,950 will be I think for our listeners very 62 00:03:31,449 --> 00:03:30,139 interesting so I don't have anything to 63 00:03:32,589 --> 00:03:31,459 share unfortunately I can't share 64 00:03:34,539 --> 00:03:32,599 anything now and I hate it because I 65 00:03:35,530 --> 00:03:34,549 told this all the time there's good 66 00:03:38,649 --> 00:03:35,540 stuff coming up 67 00:03:42,099 --> 00:03:38,659 but luckily yeah like when I've been 68 00:03:44,229 --> 00:03:42,109 told that I it's come true you know 69 00:03:46,300 --> 00:03:44,239 we've got a lot of amazing things that 70 00:03:47,890 --> 00:03:46,310 have been happening and there's more 71 00:03:50,589 --> 00:03:47,900 great stuff in store and I'll share with 72 00:03:51,789 --> 00:03:50,599 you all as soon as I can but they yeah 73 00:03:55,509 --> 00:03:51,799 some really exciting stuff 74 00:03:57,580 --> 00:03:55,519 on the horizon excellent well you know 75 00:04:00,039 --> 00:03:57,590 that usually I know kind of the inside 76 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:00,049 story and I have to keep it going 77 00:04:08,619 --> 00:04:03,290 but I'm part of this the people on this 78 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:08,629 side that's gonna earn so I have an idea 79 00:04:15,339 --> 00:04:14,090 and I'll share the way you'll be one of 80 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:15,349 the first to know of course in your 81 00:04:21,009 --> 00:04:18,289 audience often gets to know stuff before 82 00:04:22,719 --> 00:04:21,019 my audience because if I'm too busy to 83 00:04:25,719 --> 00:04:22,729 my do my show luckily I'm usually 84 00:04:28,510 --> 00:04:25,729 able to still pop out in with you and I 85 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:28,520 have had some people where are you 86 00:04:33,010 --> 00:04:30,250 where's your podcast and you know 87 00:04:35,950 --> 00:04:33,020 hopefully I'll have it up again soon and 88 00:04:40,060 --> 00:04:35,960 or some bigger better news for everybody 89 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:40,070 but yeah so that's up what's up with me 90 00:04:43,659 --> 00:04:41,570 of course there's lots of UFO news out 91 00:04:46,540 --> 00:04:43,669 there should we get into that I think we 92 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:46,550 should okay so it's a lot more 93 00:04:50,529 --> 00:04:48,530 complicated than what we're reading in 94 00:04:55,719 --> 00:04:50,539 the headlines we're seeing headlines 95 00:04:58,269 --> 00:04:55,729 such as UFOs are real the Navy says UFOs 96 00:05:00,939 --> 00:04:58,279 are real new the Navy UFO videos are 97 00:05:03,549 --> 00:05:00,949 real which is significant of 98 00:05:05,979 --> 00:05:03,559 life science has a headline here that 99 00:05:09,219 --> 00:05:05,989 says UFOs are real and you were never 100 00:05:12,639 --> 00:05:09,229 supposed to see them military official 101 00:05:15,879 --> 00:05:12,649 says there was also a political story of 102 00:05:18,639 --> 00:05:15,889 a week ago Navy withholding data on UFO 103 00:05:20,679 --> 00:05:18,649 sightings according to a congressman so 104 00:05:23,529 --> 00:05:20,689 let's get into break all this down so 105 00:05:25,389 --> 00:05:23,539 what the heck is going on so here's 106 00:05:27,609 --> 00:05:25,399 something that's kind of strange we've 107 00:05:31,209 --> 00:05:27,619 got confirmation and essentially the 108 00:05:33,459 --> 00:05:31,219 Navy representatives spoke to or sent a 109 00:05:36,669 --> 00:05:33,469 message to John Greenwald of the 110 00:05:39,069 --> 00:05:36,679 blackball saying that yes those videos 111 00:05:41,499 --> 00:05:39,079 which confirms essentially what Luo is 112 00:05:43,179 --> 00:05:41,509 andhe was telling us are you a PS we 113 00:05:44,619 --> 00:05:43,189 don't know what they are we don't think 114 00:05:46,599 --> 00:05:44,629 they're a Russian we don't think they're 115 00:05:48,189 --> 00:05:46,609 Chinese they didn't say that explicitly 116 00:05:50,079 --> 00:05:48,199 but that's essentially what they're 117 00:05:52,449 --> 00:05:50,089 saying they're you a piece they don't 118 00:05:56,769 --> 00:05:52,459 know what these things are that's very 119 00:05:58,629 --> 00:05:56,779 significant because that means they feel 120 00:06:00,489 --> 00:05:58,639 they've ruled everything else out 121 00:06:02,379 --> 00:06:00,499 they've ruled out Chinese they've ruled 122 00:06:04,899 --> 00:06:02,389 out the Russians they've ruled out some 123 00:06:09,339 --> 00:06:04,909 secret project that is ours that somehow 124 00:06:13,089 --> 00:06:09,349 I you know got the scene by the 125 00:06:15,669 --> 00:06:13,099 Roosevelt crew or the the Nimitz crew 126 00:06:18,399 --> 00:06:15,679 who who took those videos to pilots that 127 00:06:20,439 --> 00:06:18,409 were part of those groups that took 128 00:06:22,469 --> 00:06:20,449 those videos so they're saying that they 129 00:06:25,329 --> 00:06:22,479 feel those are genuine unknowns 130 00:06:29,139 --> 00:06:25,339 represented in those videos the weird 131 00:06:32,199 --> 00:06:29,149 thing is they also told him those videos 132 00:06:34,629 --> 00:06:32,209 were not to be released to the public on 133 00:06:37,419 --> 00:06:34,639 the surface that may seem like oh my 134 00:06:39,549 --> 00:06:37,429 gosh you know so Lou was kind of a 135 00:06:41,429 --> 00:06:39,559 whistleblower he released these UFO 136 00:06:44,139 --> 00:06:41,439 videos even though he wasn't supposed to 137 00:06:45,999 --> 00:06:44,149 normally of course for the UFO community 138 00:06:47,439 --> 00:06:46,009 that'd be very exciting everybody be 139 00:06:49,149 --> 00:06:47,449 like wow that's great this whistleblower 140 00:06:51,339 --> 00:06:49,159 got the info out which is what we've 141 00:06:53,799 --> 00:06:51,349 been waiting for unfortunately some of 142 00:06:55,659 --> 00:06:53,809 the naysayers out there including mr. 143 00:06:56,709 --> 00:06:55,669 Greenwald are like oh look he released 144 00:06:59,739 --> 00:06:56,719 these things and he didn't go through 145 00:07:02,589 --> 00:06:59,749 the proper procedures however we just 146 00:07:05,859 --> 00:07:02,599 got a couple weeks ago and I got this 147 00:07:08,499 --> 00:07:05,869 myself in my own FOIA request an email 148 00:07:11,109 --> 00:07:08,509 string regarding the release of those 149 00:07:13,089 --> 00:07:11,119 videos not only do we have a release 150 00:07:14,210 --> 00:07:13,099 form that was proud that was filled out 151 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:14,220 and stamped 152 00:07:20,330 --> 00:07:17,370 by the Navy approved for release we also 153 00:07:22,310 --> 00:07:20,340 got an email correspondence where you 154 00:07:25,100 --> 00:07:22,320 can see Elizondo discussing with the 155 00:07:27,140 --> 00:07:25,110 Navy about the release of the videos so 156 00:07:29,630 --> 00:07:27,150 we have this correspondence we have this 157 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:29,640 document that all shows the videos were 158 00:07:38,090 --> 00:07:33,530 released for the public yet we have this 159 00:07:40,250 --> 00:07:38,100 you know press a public relations person 160 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:40,260 saying no they weren't supposed to be 161 00:07:44,570 --> 00:07:42,330 released to the public so it creates 162 00:07:46,610 --> 00:07:44,580 some problems first of all why are they 163 00:07:49,070 --> 00:07:46,620 doing this this keeps happening over and 164 00:07:51,140 --> 00:07:49,080 over again they say they when they 165 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:51,150 acknowledge something as real like even 166 00:07:56,060 --> 00:07:53,250 when they acknowledge that the DD 19:10 167 00:07:58,400 --> 00:07:56,070 the form that read that allows a release 168 00:08:01,340 --> 00:07:58,410 of those videos even when they confirmed 169 00:08:03,470 --> 00:08:01,350 that was real they said however you know 170 00:08:06,110 --> 00:08:03,480 it wasn't supposed to be released to the 171 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:06,120 general public now this is after they 172 00:08:11,390 --> 00:08:09,450 said those videos had nothing to do with 173 00:08:13,220 --> 00:08:11,400 the Department of Defense and they were 174 00:08:15,620 --> 00:08:13,230 not released by the Department of 175 00:08:17,330 --> 00:08:15,630 Defense that was not true they had 176 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:17,340 everything to do with the department 177 00:08:23,150 --> 00:08:18,810 offense they were released by the Navy 178 00:08:25,820 --> 00:08:23,160 in fact we know of even though not all 179 00:08:28,010 --> 00:08:25,830 their names are revealed about you know 180 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:28,020 some of us know and at least we know of 181 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:30,450 the pilots and we know the pilots who 182 00:08:34,610 --> 00:08:32,130 know the pilots who took those videos 183 00:08:37,010 --> 00:08:34,620 and or interacted with those objects so 184 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:37,020 they certainly were taken by Navy pilots 185 00:08:41,420 --> 00:08:38,610 who were chasing something that they did 186 00:08:43,730 --> 00:08:41,430 not know what it was why the Navy is 187 00:08:45,740 --> 00:08:43,740 saying that these were not supposed to 188 00:08:47,420 --> 00:08:45,750 be seen by the public I don't know why 189 00:08:49,910 --> 00:08:47,430 they would say that especially when we 190 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:49,920 have these emails we have this document 191 00:08:59,060 --> 00:08:52,530 that says there otherwise but it keeps 192 00:09:00,920 --> 00:08:59,070 even further so mark Mike Walker he's in 193 00:09:04,730 --> 00:09:00,930 the House committee for homeland 194 00:09:07,190 --> 00:09:04,740 security and he's a very important 195 00:09:09,410 --> 00:09:07,200 Republican in the house he wrote a 196 00:09:11,450 --> 00:09:09,420 letter it was very educated letter to 197 00:09:13,250 --> 00:09:11,460 the Navy saying hey you've got these 198 00:09:15,500 --> 00:09:13,260 UFOs you have these UI piece you're 199 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:15,510 confirming that you have them what are 200 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:19,250 they whose are they if they're really 201 00:09:25,100 --> 00:09:22,170 unidentified why are you saying that you 202 00:09:27,020 --> 00:09:25,110 cancelled your investigation the a tip 203 00:09:27,950 --> 00:09:27,030 group that Lou Elizondo worked for in 204 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:27,960 2012 205 00:09:31,490 --> 00:09:29,490 why you continue to do that 206 00:09:34,190 --> 00:09:31,500 investigation I want to know who's 207 00:09:36,620 --> 00:09:34,200 investigating that and and if not why 208 00:09:39,470 --> 00:09:36,630 you're not why not 209 00:09:40,870 --> 00:09:39,480 and so they gave a response and their 210 00:09:43,130 --> 00:09:40,880 response was essentially we are 211 00:09:45,860 --> 00:09:43,140 investigating them you know we do 212 00:09:48,470 --> 00:09:45,870 briefed the Armed Services Committee and 213 00:09:51,829 --> 00:09:48,480 that's about it which he took is kind of 214 00:09:54,050 --> 00:09:51,839 a blow up and he essentially said to 215 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:54,060 Politico Brian bender of Politico a week 216 00:09:58,160 --> 00:09:56,250 ago hey I'm not happy about this the 217 00:10:01,820 --> 00:09:58,170 Navy is blowing me off and the Navy is 218 00:10:03,620 --> 00:10:01,830 hiding information on UFOs so it's kind 219 00:10:06,110 --> 00:10:03,630 of strange that the Navy would come out 220 00:10:08,030 --> 00:10:06,120 and say those videos should not have 221 00:10:10,250 --> 00:10:08,040 been released we did not intend that 222 00:10:12,380 --> 00:10:10,260 when there's documentation showing that 223 00:10:15,139 --> 00:10:12,390 at least the people who prove it did 224 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:15,149 seem to intend those videos to be out to 225 00:10:20,060 --> 00:10:17,850 the public and when they're being 226 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:20,070 criticized for not sharing information 227 00:10:24,949 --> 00:10:22,730 why would they then go and say oh look 228 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:24,959 here's another example where we're not 229 00:10:28,579 --> 00:10:26,130 sharing information just like 230 00:10:31,150 --> 00:10:28,589 congressman Walker is upset with us 231 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:31,160 about so it's a very strange situation 232 00:10:37,910 --> 00:10:35,250 and I can say this though that there is 233 00:10:40,730 --> 00:10:37,920 a lot of interface in the background 234 00:10:43,490 --> 00:10:40,740 with some of these witnesses from the 235 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:43,500 Navy you know there are people involved 236 00:10:48,850 --> 00:10:45,330 like we saw on the show unidentified 237 00:10:51,980 --> 00:10:48,860 like Lou Elizondo and Steve Justice and 238 00:10:55,820 --> 00:10:51,990 Chris Mellon who are also speaking with 239 00:10:58,340 --> 00:10:55,830 officials I have a feeling when this is 240 00:11:02,390 --> 00:10:58,350 just my feeling I think that there's a 241 00:11:04,610 --> 00:11:02,400 lot of still kind of chaos going on as 242 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:04,620 far as people understanding all the 243 00:11:10,970 --> 00:11:07,770 different departments in the DoD trying 244 00:11:13,940 --> 00:11:10,980 to you know come to terms with this new 245 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:13,950 world of UFOs being a credible thing and 246 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:15,810 I think that we're gonna see more 247 00:11:22,100 --> 00:11:18,810 cooperation and we're gonna see some of 248 00:11:24,620 --> 00:11:22,110 these issues cleared up in the future 249 00:11:26,540 --> 00:11:24,630 hopefully the near future but I'm pretty 250 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:26,550 sure this is gonna happen as all of 251 00:11:30,710 --> 00:11:28,050 these groups begin to work together 252 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:30,720 information starts to get to all of the 253 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:32,490 departments I think what we have to 254 00:11:39,530 --> 00:11:34,290 understand is that these public affairs 255 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:39,540 people they are very very detached from 256 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:41,770 the guys out in the field the pile 257 00:11:47,250 --> 00:11:44,530 or the people that are actually running 258 00:11:50,130 --> 00:11:47,260 these programs a tip in particular was a 259 00:11:52,860 --> 00:11:50,140 program that was secretive Harry Reid by 260 00:11:54,390 --> 00:11:52,870 design didn't want people to really know 261 00:11:56,430 --> 00:11:54,400 about it mostly because he didn't want 262 00:12:00,240 --> 00:11:56,440 people to make fun of it and and be 263 00:12:02,700 --> 00:12:00,250 embarrassed by it but but you know I 264 00:12:04,530 --> 00:12:02,710 think that we're moving we're gonna be 265 00:12:06,750 --> 00:12:04,540 moving forward together as opposed to 266 00:12:09,180 --> 00:12:06,760 all of this weirdness that's going on 267 00:12:11,490 --> 00:12:09,190 but Martin are you still there yeah I'm 268 00:12:14,790 --> 00:12:11,500 here I want to hear your thoughts what 269 00:12:17,910 --> 00:12:14,800 do you think of all of this I mean well 270 00:12:19,260 --> 00:12:17,920 you know I've been letting you I'll be 271 00:12:20,850 --> 00:12:19,270 honest with you I've been letting you 272 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:20,860 I've been trying to get our guests on 273 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:22,450 the phone so I've been hearing just bits 274 00:12:31,290 --> 00:12:25,810 and pieces I feel really like I'm caught 275 00:12:33,930 --> 00:12:31,300 now but let me ask you this I am Here I 276 00:12:36,210 --> 00:12:33,940 am here now oh great great 277 00:12:39,270 --> 00:12:36,220 alright Rob will introduce you thank you 278 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:39,280 thank you okay but do you want to ask 279 00:12:44,580 --> 00:12:42,130 you this before before we in the news 280 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:44,590 you know from your perspective you see 281 00:12:50,100 --> 00:12:48,250 you know this this email string were 282 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:50,110 apparently they're giving blue 283 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:52,810 permission to release those videos and 284 00:12:57,420 --> 00:12:54,850 then we have this new news that they're 285 00:13:00,150 --> 00:12:57,430 saying those videos are genuinely you a 286 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:00,160 piece there unidentified but we didn't 287 00:13:04,860 --> 00:13:02,050 mean to release them to the public I 288 00:13:07,170 --> 00:13:04,870 mean what does that make you think you 289 00:13:10,770 --> 00:13:07,180 know I gotta tell you what I've been 290 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:10,780 trying to follow this and I'm totally 291 00:13:16,170 --> 00:13:14,170 the more this goes on and I don't know 292 00:13:19,710 --> 00:13:16,180 if anyone shares this with me at all but 293 00:13:22,350 --> 00:13:19,720 the more confused I get I get it 294 00:13:26,340 --> 00:13:22,360 yeah I don't understand what's going on 295 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:26,350 and I just wish there could be some type 296 00:13:31,740 --> 00:13:30,010 of clarity from you know like you said I 297 00:13:34,470 --> 00:13:31,750 heard you say you know all the groups 298 00:13:37,620 --> 00:13:34,480 perhaps working together you know maybe 299 00:13:39,930 --> 00:13:37,630 this can be cleared up and there could 300 00:13:42,150 --> 00:13:39,940 be some focus and what exactly is going 301 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:42,160 on because as time goes on 302 00:13:46,560 --> 00:13:44,170 it just seems more and more confusing to 303 00:13:48,810 --> 00:13:46,570 me all the time I really don't know what 304 00:13:54,180 --> 00:13:48,820 does that I don't blame you and I don't 305 00:13:55,350 --> 00:13:54,190 understand why these why they keep 306 00:13:56,610 --> 00:13:55,360 muddling the water 307 00:14:00,000 --> 00:13:56,620 like this and why they keep making 308 00:14:01,860 --> 00:14:00,010 statements that especially like this one 309 00:14:04,590 --> 00:14:01,870 that we already have information that 310 00:14:06,769 --> 00:14:04,600 counters from the Navy that counters 311 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:06,779 this part that they didn't mean to 312 00:14:11,910 --> 00:14:09,250 release those videos so it's it's very 313 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:11,920 strange it's really weird but I I think 314 00:14:16,079 --> 00:14:13,930 I just count it down to I think people 315 00:14:17,639 --> 00:14:16,089 are just not all on the same page and 316 00:14:20,490 --> 00:14:17,649 over time I think they will get on the 317 00:14:22,500 --> 00:14:20,500 same page at least I'm hopeful do you 318 00:14:25,710 --> 00:14:22,510 think there's any do you think there's 319 00:14:27,780 --> 00:14:25,720 any possibility that there's someone is 320 00:14:31,530 --> 00:14:27,790 being fed disinformation in this whole 321 00:14:34,069 --> 00:14:31,540 thing to make it confusing like it is or 322 00:14:38,009 --> 00:14:34,079 do you think it's just miscommunication 323 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:38,019 well here and I believe this is an 324 00:14:43,490 --> 00:14:40,450 objective perspective and and I don't 325 00:14:47,069 --> 00:14:43,500 think that I'm being biased in that 326 00:14:50,610 --> 00:14:47,079 other people who are objective despite 327 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:50,620 you know some criticism are coming to 328 00:14:58,800 --> 00:14:54,490 the same conclusion the the waters are 329 00:15:01,710 --> 00:14:58,810 getting muddied by these the public 330 00:15:04,439 --> 00:15:01,720 affairs department the public affairs 331 00:15:06,210 --> 00:15:04,449 department at first I think we were all 332 00:15:10,199 --> 00:15:06,220 like who's telling the truth what's 333 00:15:14,310 --> 00:15:10,209 going on and what but what we've seen 334 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:14,320 over time is that Elizondo the claims 335 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:17,410 that he's made have been backed up by 336 00:15:22,139 --> 00:15:19,570 documents most of these documents were 337 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:22,149 leaked by george knapp but they were 338 00:15:27,329 --> 00:15:24,370 confirmed to be real either by the DoD 339 00:15:31,139 --> 00:15:27,339 themselves or by people involved with 340 00:15:32,939 --> 00:15:31,149 the DoD so we see that at least Lou has 341 00:15:35,189 --> 00:15:32,949 had a consistent record of being 342 00:15:42,569 --> 00:15:35,199 accurate and having people back him up 343 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:42,579 on that so I think that the the if there 344 00:15:47,759 --> 00:15:44,890 is disinformation it's being introduced 345 00:15:49,860 --> 00:15:47,769 by the public affairs department and why 346 00:15:51,630 --> 00:15:49,870 is that is it that they're honestly 347 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:51,640 getting it wrong and they're making 348 00:15:57,090 --> 00:15:54,370 genuine mistakes is it that they have 349 00:15:59,160 --> 00:15:57,100 been given wrong information and then 350 00:16:01,620 --> 00:15:59,170 they have to later correct themselves at 351 00:16:02,790 --> 00:16:01,630 this point because they have to to keep 352 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:02,800 correcting themselves 353 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:04,930 I mean it's hurting their credibility I 354 00:16:08,820 --> 00:16:06,730 don't know why anybody would kind of 355 00:16:10,500 --> 00:16:08,830 take their word for anything at this 356 00:16:13,829 --> 00:16:10,510 point because they keep consistently 357 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:13,839 being wrong and I don't know why I I 358 00:16:18,660 --> 00:16:16,570 think it's probably you know speaking of 359 00:16:21,300 --> 00:16:18,670 Greenwald over the years he's taught us 360 00:16:23,009 --> 00:16:21,310 this he's shown us that these public 361 00:16:26,069 --> 00:16:23,019 affairs departments typically don't have 362 00:16:27,900 --> 00:16:26,079 the best information even when he's 363 00:16:29,430 --> 00:16:27,910 taken documents he knows to exist and 364 00:16:32,639 --> 00:16:29,440 they say no they don't exist he's like 365 00:16:34,769 --> 00:16:32,649 what look I've got it right here I think 366 00:16:37,319 --> 00:16:34,779 that it's a difficult job they don't 367 00:16:40,139 --> 00:16:37,329 have a lot of access to information so I 368 00:16:41,670 --> 00:16:40,149 don't know if it's a genuine mistake or 369 00:16:44,340 --> 00:16:41,680 they're trying to muddy the waters 370 00:16:46,050 --> 00:16:44,350 because they just are not happy about 371 00:16:48,630 --> 00:16:46,060 being left out of the loop of the 372 00:16:51,930 --> 00:16:48,640 release of this information could be the 373 00:16:54,569 --> 00:16:51,940 latter you know our friend our good 374 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:54,579 friend Lee Spiegel is listening and he's 375 00:16:58,290 --> 00:16:56,290 just texted me a couple things his 376 00:17:02,100 --> 00:16:58,300 opinion is you know one hand doesn't 377 00:17:03,870 --> 00:17:02,110 know what the other hand does and that's 378 00:17:05,699 --> 00:17:03,880 always been this way historically no 379 00:17:07,890 --> 00:17:05,709 government wants to risk the negative 380 00:17:09,780 --> 00:17:07,900 feedback that will happen if they 381 00:17:13,049 --> 00:17:09,790 acknowledge the existence of UFOs 382 00:17:16,470 --> 00:17:13,059 so that's Lee's opinion so he just 383 00:17:17,970 --> 00:17:16,480 joined us yeah I think yeah there are 384 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:17,980 these different departments they don't 385 00:17:21,540 --> 00:17:20,050 know what each other are doing so you 386 00:17:22,770 --> 00:17:21,550 know I do feel for the Public Affairs 387 00:17:24,419 --> 00:17:22,780 Department because they're on the 388 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:24,429 backfoot and they're having to figure 389 00:17:29,100 --> 00:17:26,530 stuff out and it's probably frustrating 390 00:17:31,830 --> 00:17:29,110 for them and they probably wish someone 391 00:17:34,799 --> 00:17:31,840 would have briefed them prior to all of 392 00:17:36,750 --> 00:17:34,809 this coming down but to lose point I 393 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:36,760 think Lou didn't want anybody to know he 394 00:17:40,290 --> 00:17:37,690 was going to share this information 395 00:17:42,570 --> 00:17:40,300 because he didn't want it to be shut 396 00:17:45,210 --> 00:17:42,580 down before he shared it he wanted the 397 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:45,220 public to get this information I think 398 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:47,890 that many of us appreciate that and that 399 00:17:53,100 --> 00:17:51,250 this information is now out so it's a 400 00:17:58,040 --> 00:17:53,110 tough situation and I and that's what I 401 00:18:01,049 --> 00:17:58,050 ascribe it to I I don't personally see 402 00:18:03,210 --> 00:18:01,059 definitive proof that anybody is dis 403 00:18:05,250 --> 00:18:03,220 informing anyone but if there is 404 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:05,260 disinformation the group that's been 405 00:18:08,669 --> 00:18:06,610 wrong it's the public affairs department 406 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:08,679 so that's where it would be coming from 407 00:18:13,530 --> 00:18:11,290 but I couldn't see them wanting I hope 408 00:18:15,450 --> 00:18:13,540 that that's not what they're doing I 409 00:18:17,310 --> 00:18:15,460 think it's more along the lines of what 410 00:18:19,049 --> 00:18:17,320 Lee saying and they're just not all on 411 00:18:22,290 --> 00:18:19,059 the same page and hopefully over time 412 00:18:22,620 --> 00:18:22,300 they will get there right just to let 413 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:22,630 you know 414 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:25,090 that leaf followed all that up with he's 415 00:18:34,140 --> 00:18:26,970 the only human that knows the truth 416 00:18:37,260 --> 00:18:34,150 hooli yeah I'm not so sure I doubt that 417 00:18:37,620 --> 00:18:37,270 - I've always had that feeling yeah all 418 00:18:39,570 --> 00:18:37,630 right 419 00:18:41,700 --> 00:18:39,580 Hey Alejandro thanks so much I 420 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:41,710 appreciate it and thanks for hanging in 421 00:18:48,330 --> 00:18:45,970 and we do have our guest on the line and 422 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:48,340 hoarsely wants me to plug the film the 423 00:18:56,610 --> 00:18:52,890 phenomenon you know coming up I did a 424 00:18:58,350 --> 00:18:56,620 yeah and he did a great presentation at 425 00:19:01,170 --> 00:18:58,360 the UFO Congress he revealed for the 426 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:01,180 first time a lot of what's in that and 427 00:19:06,330 --> 00:19:04,330 we will be posting that video pretty 428 00:19:08,460 --> 00:19:06,340 soon here so everybody can see that on 429 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:08,470 our video on demand that's right 430 00:19:12,570 --> 00:19:10,810 all right Alan oh thank you so much I 431 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:12,580 appreciate it Thank You Betty 432 00:19:18,510 --> 00:19:15,250 Chucky Sam are cute soon okay so we're 433 00:19:19,830 --> 00:19:18,520 not going to take a break at the time we 434 00:19:23,460 --> 00:19:19,840 usually do in a couple minutes we're 435 00:19:26,250 --> 00:19:23,470 going to go all the way to the 655 p.m. 436 00:19:27,750 --> 00:19:26,260 Eastern Standard Time so that's that's 437 00:19:29,700 --> 00:19:27,760 when our break will be just one break 438 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:29,710 tonight is when I'm getting at so our 439 00:19:35,820 --> 00:19:32,410 guest Rob she'll ski he's an avid and 440 00:19:38,550 --> 00:19:35,830 eclectic writer average is about 4,000 441 00:19:40,740 --> 00:19:38,560 words a day wow I wonder what Nick 442 00:19:43,290 --> 00:19:40,750 Redfern does must be somewhere around 443 00:19:48,120 --> 00:19:43,300 there but anyway he has a degree in 444 00:19:49,860 --> 00:19:48,130 science he is he has a show coming up on 445 00:19:53,420 --> 00:19:49,870 the Travel Channel we can talk about 446 00:19:58,350 --> 00:19:53,430 that he's actually the on-camera expert 447 00:19:59,460 --> 00:19:58,360 and welcome to the show Rob thanks for 448 00:20:02,490 --> 00:19:59,470 having me I didn't think I was gonna 449 00:20:04,410 --> 00:20:02,500 make it here tonight I know that's so 450 00:20:06,900 --> 00:20:04,420 weird all your settings went haywire but 451 00:20:09,690 --> 00:20:06,910 somehow you figured at the mountain here 452 00:20:10,860 --> 00:20:09,700 you are yeah I rebooted everything too 453 00:20:18,420 --> 00:20:10,870 bad we can't do that with our lives 454 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:18,430 sometimes huh do that yeah just that one 455 00:20:22,740 --> 00:20:20,170 little mistake I want to change you know 456 00:20:24,810 --> 00:20:22,750 but anyway welcome to the show can you 457 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:24,820 tell the listening audience a little bit 458 00:20:28,410 --> 00:20:27,010 about your background and what got you 459 00:20:31,110 --> 00:20:28,420 interested in this topic 460 00:20:33,420 --> 00:20:31,120 sure my background started when I was 461 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:33,430 very young was always interested in UFOs 462 00:20:38,910 --> 00:20:36,490 I had a couple odd experiences that 463 00:20:41,820 --> 00:20:38,920 my brother had one which was kind of the 464 00:20:44,580 --> 00:20:41,830 turning point for me because we told me 465 00:20:46,530 --> 00:20:44,590 about his it made me really think a lot 466 00:20:50,130 --> 00:20:46,540 more about UFOs and I began to research 467 00:20:52,100 --> 00:20:50,140 them I was a journalist for aliens good 468 00:20:54,900 --> 00:20:52,110 magazine investigative journalist and 469 00:20:57,330 --> 00:20:54,910 went on site to various locations I was 470 00:20:59,310 --> 00:20:57,340 a MUFON field investigator I've been 471 00:21:02,730 --> 00:20:59,320 investigating your folks on my own now 472 00:21:04,980 --> 00:21:02,740 for about almost 30 years and as I do 473 00:21:08,580 --> 00:21:04,990 research I write books about what I find 474 00:21:11,010 --> 00:21:08,590 out and quite a few books got published 475 00:21:12,540 --> 00:21:11,020 to the point where now apparently 476 00:21:15,049 --> 00:21:12,550 they're considering me an on-camera 477 00:21:18,060 --> 00:21:15,059 expert but we'll see about that 478 00:21:21,210 --> 00:21:18,070 yeah I heard you know I've had I've had 479 00:21:23,820 --> 00:21:21,220 a lot of talks about you know I was 480 00:21:26,370 --> 00:21:23,830 contacted from I think it was a History 481 00:21:27,990 --> 00:21:26,380 Channel awhile ago and they said we 482 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:28,000 would like to talk to you about finding 483 00:21:33,740 --> 00:21:31,090 us UFO expert and I said well if anyone 484 00:21:38,130 --> 00:21:33,750 claims or a UFO expert run the other way 485 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:38,140 absolutely I don't think you know I'd 486 00:21:44,310 --> 00:21:41,170 know that I know just as much about them 487 00:21:46,169 --> 00:21:44,320 or less than I did you know eight eight 488 00:21:50,220 --> 00:21:46,179 years ago eight years ago when I started 489 00:21:52,140 --> 00:21:50,230 this show coming up but no I'm sorry you 490 00:21:53,970 --> 00:21:52,150 say you know just about the same amount 491 00:21:59,490 --> 00:21:53,980 as you did you know I think I know less 492 00:22:01,140 --> 00:21:59,500 oh it's because every time you come up 493 00:22:03,690 --> 00:22:01,150 with another question you're adding to 494 00:22:05,250 --> 00:22:03,700 the knowledge you don't have and the 495 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:05,260 more we learn about UFOs the more 496 00:22:09,900 --> 00:22:08,290 questions we have like that right now 497 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:09,910 have you ever personally had a sighting 498 00:22:14,610 --> 00:22:12,970 of your own yes I had a weird sighting 499 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:14,620 well I can't really call it a sighting 500 00:22:19,980 --> 00:22:17,890 when I was about six in Australia I woke 501 00:22:22,380 --> 00:22:19,990 up one night in an absolute panic and 502 00:22:24,150 --> 00:22:22,390 fear and I walked into the hallway and I 503 00:22:26,669 --> 00:22:24,160 saw what looked like some kind of space 504 00:22:28,140 --> 00:22:26,679 person or creature looking at me through 505 00:22:30,180 --> 00:22:28,150 the back door or hallway went straight 506 00:22:32,460 --> 00:22:30,190 from the front door to the back and the 507 00:22:34,860 --> 00:22:32,470 back door had glass in it and I panicked 508 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:34,870 and I ran into my parents room and told 509 00:22:37,980 --> 00:22:36,730 them what I was seeing and of course my 510 00:22:40,140 --> 00:22:37,990 father goes you're just having a 511 00:22:41,970 --> 00:22:40,150 nightmare go back to bed but that has 512 00:22:45,630 --> 00:22:41,980 stuck with me all my life that was no 513 00:22:47,850 --> 00:22:45,640 dream whatever it was so I've just 514 00:22:49,380 --> 00:22:47,860 decided that I was interested in you of 515 00:22:50,130 --> 00:22:49,390 those after that and got into it all the 516 00:22:54,630 --> 00:22:50,140 more 517 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:54,640 Wow so did you see any signs of you know 518 00:22:58,789 --> 00:22:56,530 any lights or anything like that 519 00:23:01,860 --> 00:22:58,799 or was it just whatever that being was 520 00:23:04,289 --> 00:23:01,870 oddly at the time was so we had a full 521 00:23:06,390 --> 00:23:04,299 solar eclipse over Australia within like 522 00:23:08,460 --> 00:23:06,400 a day later so I don't know if there's 523 00:23:10,590 --> 00:23:08,470 any connection there or not now since 524 00:23:13,470 --> 00:23:10,600 then I have seen a UFO over Greensboro 525 00:23:15,390 --> 00:23:13,480 and being a MUFON field investigator 526 00:23:17,100 --> 00:23:15,400 have been exposed to a lot of people and 527 00:23:19,710 --> 00:23:17,110 the sites where they said they saw 528 00:23:22,020 --> 00:23:19,720 things and I would guess about five to 529 00:23:23,789 --> 00:23:22,030 seven percent are probably seeing 530 00:23:26,100 --> 00:23:23,799 something that is out of the ordinary I 531 00:23:28,289 --> 00:23:26,110 certainly did again it's like with you 532 00:23:30,510 --> 00:23:28,299 you can sort of figure out what they're 533 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:30,520 not it's what they are that leaves you 534 00:23:34,770 --> 00:23:32,770 wondering I mean I looked at this thing 535 00:23:37,730 --> 00:23:34,780 for about gosh almost two minutes over 536 00:23:41,250 --> 00:23:37,740 Greensboro and I had time to allow a jet 537 00:23:43,289 --> 00:23:41,260 helicopter dirigibles own air balloon 538 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:43,299 all of this stuff so I know what it 539 00:23:47,549 --> 00:23:45,090 wasn't I just don't know what it was 540 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:47,559 other than it was an unidentified flying 541 00:23:51,450 --> 00:23:48,570 object 542 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:51,460 well you just reminded me that I just 543 00:23:57,630 --> 00:23:55,570 posted about an hour or so ago one of 544 00:23:59,760 --> 00:23:57,640 the interviews that I did out at the UFO 545 00:24:02,430 --> 00:23:59,770 Congress I'm just letting people know 546 00:24:05,450 --> 00:24:02,440 that on youtube if you want to check 547 00:24:09,150 --> 00:24:05,460 that out and that's about the Victorian 548 00:24:10,950 --> 00:24:09,160 UFO action group they were visiting the 549 00:24:12,780 --> 00:24:10,960 states they went to Roswell they went to 550 00:24:14,940 --> 00:24:12,790 Socorro and they went to the UFO 551 00:24:17,100 --> 00:24:14,950 congress so i sat down with i think 552 00:24:19,260 --> 00:24:17,110 about six of them and had a nice 553 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:19,270 conversation so so check that out in 554 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:21,490 youtube that's on martin willis live 555 00:24:27,169 --> 00:24:23,770 shows on youtube also it will be a 556 00:24:31,350 --> 00:24:27,179 podcast posted this coming week on our 557 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:31,360 website for supporters only so check 558 00:24:36,750 --> 00:24:35,290 that out anyway so when did you move out 559 00:24:38,789 --> 00:24:36,760 of Australia how old were you when you 560 00:24:41,100 --> 00:24:38,799 moved here to the States are you from 561 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:41,110 we born in Australia no I was born in 562 00:24:44,970 --> 00:24:42,970 Texas my mother was Australian we 563 00:24:47,310 --> 00:24:44,980 emigrated there we came back when I was 564 00:24:50,460 --> 00:24:47,320 12 I lived in Texas about six weeks 565 00:24:53,190 --> 00:24:50,470 after I was born and so I don't really 566 00:24:55,140 --> 00:24:53,200 know Texas well but yeah I came back and 567 00:24:57,450 --> 00:24:55,150 slowly got more and more into the whole 568 00:25:00,299 --> 00:24:57,460 thing lived in San Diego went to 569 00:25:02,460 --> 00:25:00,309 university in Canada San Diego State but 570 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:02,470 all through this the UFO process kept 571 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:03,490 slow 572 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:05,890 developing for me there was a sighting 573 00:25:11,519 --> 00:25:08,770 over San Diego 50,000 people saw it at 574 00:25:13,350 --> 00:25:11,529 the San Diego stadium arena and so I 575 00:25:15,299 --> 00:25:13,360 wasn't the only one but whatever was we 576 00:25:17,070 --> 00:25:15,309 don't know it was a mystery space object 577 00:25:20,820 --> 00:25:17,080 was the headlines in the newspaper and 578 00:25:24,299 --> 00:25:20,830 then I saw the UFO and Greensboro and my 579 00:25:26,120 --> 00:25:24,309 brother has missing time so I just sort 580 00:25:29,399 --> 00:25:26,130 of gradually fell into all of this and 581 00:25:31,289 --> 00:25:29,409 if anyone asks me do I believe in UFOs I 582 00:25:32,850 --> 00:25:31,299 say no I don't believe in them I think 583 00:25:34,590 --> 00:25:32,860 there's enough evidence to suppose they 584 00:25:36,060 --> 00:25:34,600 actually exist it's like saying you 585 00:25:37,289 --> 00:25:36,070 believe in a refrigerator or don't 586 00:25:40,139 --> 00:25:37,299 believe whether you believe or not 587 00:25:42,750 --> 00:25:40,149 they're there yeah my friend Sam moranto 588 00:25:47,669 --> 00:25:42,760 is real big on that exactly what you're 589 00:25:49,950 --> 00:25:47,679 saying and you know he know his cringes 590 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:49,960 when someone says or asked him if he if 591 00:25:56,010 --> 00:25:51,850 he believes in UFOs kind of goes along 592 00:25:58,529 --> 00:25:56,020 that same line so you're you're here in 593 00:26:00,120 --> 00:25:58,539 the States and when was this at the 594 00:26:02,070 --> 00:26:00,130 stadium in San Diego that you're just 595 00:26:04,740 --> 00:26:02,080 talking about oh that was back in the 596 00:26:06,750 --> 00:26:04,750 early 70s I believe and then the 597 00:26:10,860 --> 00:26:06,760 Greensboro sighting was two years ago 598 00:26:12,930 --> 00:26:10,870 and okay yeah so that one was more 599 00:26:15,299 --> 00:26:12,940 recent I don't think they're singing me 600 00:26:16,830 --> 00:26:15,309 out maybe they are maybe they're singing 601 00:26:19,019 --> 00:26:16,840 not my family because again my brother 602 00:26:21,990 --> 00:26:19,029 has missing time and so does his friend 603 00:26:23,310 --> 00:26:22,000 and they don't know if they were 604 00:26:25,350 --> 00:26:23,320 abducted or not because they've never 605 00:26:28,289 --> 00:26:25,360 gone through any kind of hypnosis I kind 606 00:26:31,260 --> 00:26:28,299 of warned him against that yeah that's 607 00:26:34,139 --> 00:26:31,270 that's a double-edged sword yes and 608 00:26:37,470 --> 00:26:34,149 speaking of that Calvin Parker from the 609 00:26:39,260 --> 00:26:37,480 Pascagoula incident we're in touch all 610 00:26:43,169 --> 00:26:39,270 the time now of course I met him out and 611 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:43,179 out in Phoenix and he's been on the show 612 00:26:47,490 --> 00:26:46,090 a number of times so Calvin just was 613 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:47,500 regressed he just went through 614 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:49,450 regression therapy and that's going to 615 00:26:53,940 --> 00:26:51,250 be transcribed if anyone's following 616 00:26:57,539 --> 00:26:53,950 that you can check out Phil Mantle's 617 00:26:59,610 --> 00:26:57,549 website I'm sorry Phil Mantle's Facebook 618 00:27:02,159 --> 00:26:59,620 page he's going to put the transcription 619 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:02,169 of the which i think is very daring of 620 00:27:07,669 --> 00:27:03,850 Calvin Parker he's gonna post that 621 00:27:10,470 --> 00:27:07,679 transcription at some point 622 00:27:12,149 --> 00:27:10,480 regression therapy yeah I understand it 623 00:27:15,019 --> 00:27:12,159 can be scary and you know people like 624 00:27:17,130 --> 00:27:15,029 God mentioned this before Travis Walton 625 00:27:19,530 --> 00:27:17,140 said he 626 00:27:21,750 --> 00:27:19,540 he did it once you never do it again and 627 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:21,760 a lot of people are scared you know by 628 00:27:26,190 --> 00:27:24,010 what they may find out they don't want 629 00:27:30,990 --> 00:27:26,200 to know and things are better off just 630 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:31,000 the way they are so I know there's you 631 00:27:34,919 --> 00:27:32,770 know there's there's some people that 632 00:27:38,460 --> 00:27:34,929 can do a really nice job and some people 633 00:27:40,740 --> 00:27:38,470 that may lead someone along but what why 634 00:27:44,630 --> 00:27:40,750 what was your thoughts when you told 635 00:27:48,630 --> 00:27:44,640 your brother that when I told him about 636 00:27:51,060 --> 00:27:48,640 yeah yeah he wanted to know why I said 637 00:27:52,919 --> 00:27:51,070 well hypnotism is the power of 638 00:27:56,250 --> 00:27:52,929 suggestion and unless you have an 639 00:27:58,980 --> 00:27:56,260 extremely well-qualified hypnotist they 640 00:28:00,720 --> 00:27:58,990 can plant false memories that you then 641 00:28:02,100 --> 00:28:00,730 when you wake up believe are real and 642 00:28:04,230 --> 00:28:02,110 you think of them as real from that 643 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:04,240 point forward all they have to do is say 644 00:28:09,150 --> 00:28:06,970 something like tell us about your UFO 645 00:28:11,490 --> 00:28:09,160 experiences and that plants the 646 00:28:13,500 --> 00:28:11,500 suggestion and the human mind according 647 00:28:15,030 --> 00:28:13,510 psychologists is very flexible and quite 648 00:28:17,940 --> 00:28:15,040 willing to make up any fabricated 649 00:28:19,260 --> 00:28:17,950 stories you like to please you but 650 00:28:21,510 --> 00:28:19,270 unfortunately when you wake up you 651 00:28:23,490 --> 00:28:21,520 remember them as being real but that is 652 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:23,500 the power of suggestion they can make 653 00:28:26,580 --> 00:28:25,090 you believe you're a chicken or a dog or 654 00:28:28,289 --> 00:28:26,590 a cat or they can make you believe you 655 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:28,299 had memories of something you didn't 656 00:28:33,980 --> 00:28:30,250 have this has also been a problem with 657 00:28:38,340 --> 00:28:33,990 reincarnation we regression as well 658 00:28:38,669 --> 00:28:38,350 interesting interesting so can you tell 659 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:38,679 us 660 00:28:43,980 --> 00:28:40,690 did you already describe the sighting 661 00:28:46,470 --> 00:28:43,990 you had in Greensboro or was that that 662 00:28:49,830 --> 00:28:46,480 wasn't when you described yet right no 663 00:28:51,419 --> 00:28:49,840 it was it was a silver orb shaped craft 664 00:28:53,580 --> 00:28:51,429 at first I thought it was the nose of 665 00:28:55,260 --> 00:28:53,590 the jet because there was some clouds in 666 00:28:57,690 --> 00:28:55,270 the sky that well just the nose of a jet 667 00:28:59,340 --> 00:28:57,700 I was stopped at a stop light and I was 668 00:29:01,440 --> 00:28:59,350 a MUFON field investigator at the time 669 00:29:03,180 --> 00:29:01,450 and I thought okay that's just a jet 670 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:03,190 coming out from clouds but it wasn't it 671 00:29:07,830 --> 00:29:04,330 came out of the closet it was like a 672 00:29:09,539 --> 00:29:07,840 silver orb and then right away my 673 00:29:12,630 --> 00:29:09,549 so-called professionalism kicked in and 674 00:29:14,340 --> 00:29:12,640 I began to try to find out what it 675 00:29:16,650 --> 00:29:14,350 wasn't so I could kind of pin what it 676 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:16,660 was unfortunately my phone was dead so I 677 00:29:20,700 --> 00:29:18,970 couldn't take any pictures and my state 678 00:29:22,380 --> 00:29:20,710 director asked me she said why did you 679 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:22,390 report it Robert said no I did report it 680 00:29:26,850 --> 00:29:24,370 she said why I said we're getting 681 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:26,860 reports of UFOs by the thousands every 682 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:29,050 year just knowing that with someone else 683 00:29:32,919 --> 00:29:30,890 under the UFO doesn't really 684 00:29:35,410 --> 00:29:32,929 significantly to our database other than 685 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:35,420 the location of the time which I said is 686 00:29:40,690 --> 00:29:37,970 a valid thing to add but we have tons of 687 00:29:42,669 --> 00:29:40,700 data now over decades and decades we 688 00:29:45,549 --> 00:29:42,679 need to start utilizing the data to get 689 00:29:47,590 --> 00:29:45,559 some answers and how how would you think 690 00:29:49,660 --> 00:29:47,600 that what does that look like to you 691 00:29:51,610 --> 00:29:49,670 well it takes extensive research MUFON 692 00:29:52,750 --> 00:29:51,620 has a huge database which I had access 693 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:52,760 to for quite a while 694 00:29:56,890 --> 00:29:54,650 and what you start doing is trying to 695 00:29:58,870 --> 00:29:56,900 cross relate things where are the hot 696 00:30:00,910 --> 00:29:58,880 spots are there hot spots are there 697 00:30:02,710 --> 00:30:00,920 patterns to this are there areas that 698 00:30:04,299 --> 00:30:02,720 could see more UFOs or not of course we 699 00:30:06,250 --> 00:30:04,309 know that there are but is there 700 00:30:08,590 --> 00:30:06,260 anything more to it more specific our 701 00:30:10,630 --> 00:30:08,600 UFO sightings on the rise what type of 702 00:30:13,210 --> 00:30:10,640 UFOs are we seeing is it more triangles 703 00:30:15,130 --> 00:30:13,220 and less cylinders less flying saucer 704 00:30:17,260 --> 00:30:15,140 types there's so much information we 705 00:30:20,260 --> 00:30:17,270 could find out we could probably find 706 00:30:21,430 --> 00:30:20,270 trends and we can probably ascertain 707 00:30:23,380 --> 00:30:21,440 quite a bit about what their 708 00:30:25,450 --> 00:30:23,390 capabilities are there's been enough 709 00:30:26,830 --> 00:30:25,460 sightings film and photos legitimate 710 00:30:29,289 --> 00:30:26,840 once I'm not talking about the hoax is 711 00:30:30,820 --> 00:30:29,299 of course the photo shops where we 712 00:30:33,010 --> 00:30:30,830 should be able to start using this data 713 00:30:36,430 --> 00:30:33,020 to arrive at some answers and that's why 714 00:30:38,230 --> 00:30:36,440 I'm in this business I want answers now 715 00:30:42,310 --> 00:30:38,240 you said that you've been at this for 716 00:30:44,620 --> 00:30:42,320 about 30 years I seem to have noticed 717 00:30:48,340 --> 00:30:44,630 that there's a lot more triangles maybe 718 00:30:50,380 --> 00:30:48,350 it's just that there's maybe I just hear 719 00:30:52,870 --> 00:30:50,390 about it more but what have you seen 720 00:30:55,270 --> 00:30:52,880 over the years like a change in what 721 00:30:57,220 --> 00:30:55,280 people are claiming they see yes 722 00:30:58,240 --> 00:30:57,230 definitely triangles are really on the 723 00:31:00,039 --> 00:30:58,250 rise it have been 724 00:31:03,460 --> 00:31:00,049 they were first started seeing around 725 00:31:05,289 --> 00:31:03,470 late 1980s early 1990s along the Hudson 726 00:31:06,510 --> 00:31:05,299 River Valley a vast silent triangle 727 00:31:08,860 --> 00:31:06,520 about the size of a football field 728 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:08,870 hovered over a house made almost no 729 00:31:13,150 --> 00:31:10,490 noise at all and if it had any noises 730 00:31:14,350 --> 00:31:13,160 like a low um and it did have lights 731 00:31:16,750 --> 00:31:14,360 underneath it and from that point 732 00:31:19,180 --> 00:31:16,760 forward and actually I went up to the 733 00:31:21,370 --> 00:31:19,190 area Pine Bush New York and oh yeah 734 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:21,380 camped out there for a number of days in 735 00:31:24,700 --> 00:31:22,850 the hopes of spotting some UFOs 736 00:31:28,750 --> 00:31:24,710 unfortunately and that trip I did not 737 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:28,760 gulf breeze yes I did see one so but I 738 00:31:33,940 --> 00:31:31,130 do take these investigatory trips abroad 739 00:31:37,539 --> 00:31:33,950 to England for a super storm of UFOs 740 00:31:39,070 --> 00:31:37,549 languish Gulf Breeze Florida anywhere 741 00:31:40,980 --> 00:31:39,080 where there seems to be a large number 742 00:31:44,380 --> 00:31:40,990 of sightings so I'll go to check it out 743 00:31:48,790 --> 00:31:44,390 what's your idea on why there are hot 744 00:31:51,220 --> 00:31:48,800 spots well the data seems to show that 745 00:31:54,430 --> 00:31:51,230 they do like military bases nuclear 746 00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:54,440 power plants that sort of thing 747 00:32:00,850 --> 00:31:57,650 however we seem to be seeing him all 748 00:32:03,190 --> 00:32:00,860 over the place and the sightings are on 749 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:03,200 the rise some psychiatrist felt that it 750 00:32:07,270 --> 00:32:05,450 was the fear and anxiety of the Cold War 751 00:32:10,060 --> 00:32:07,280 that caused many people to think they 752 00:32:12,820 --> 00:32:10,070 saw a UFO and they didn't and it was 753 00:32:14,350 --> 00:32:12,830 like a cold war hysteria so they felt 754 00:32:16,390 --> 00:32:14,360 that once the Cold War was over these 755 00:32:18,250 --> 00:32:16,400 would drop off the reverses happened 756 00:32:21,310 --> 00:32:18,260 these number of settings have gone up 757 00:32:22,870 --> 00:32:21,320 and almost on an annual basis partly 758 00:32:24,190 --> 00:32:22,880 it's because people have more phones - 759 00:32:26,380 --> 00:32:24,200 becoming more aware of it they've got 760 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:26,390 more cameras with those phones so we're 761 00:32:30,310 --> 00:32:27,890 getting a lot more input now whereas 762 00:32:32,470 --> 00:32:30,320 before people would see one but didn't 763 00:32:33,970 --> 00:32:32,480 have a camera handy you know because 764 00:32:35,530 --> 00:32:33,980 they didn't have phone cameras so but 765 00:32:36,820 --> 00:32:35,540 now they do and they're taking pictures 766 00:32:39,910 --> 00:32:36,830 and with that evidence they're willing 767 00:32:42,250 --> 00:32:39,920 to report it you know I I can't remember 768 00:32:44,890 --> 00:32:42,260 who it was I think it was Seth Shostak 769 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:44,900 from SETI by the way he's going to be on 770 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:47,410 hopefully next month if all goes well 771 00:32:53,740 --> 00:32:50,050 we're going to be talking actually UFOs 772 00:32:56,890 --> 00:32:53,750 but he said something like why don't we 773 00:32:59,380 --> 00:32:56,900 have with all the millions of cell 774 00:33:01,600 --> 00:32:59,390 phones camera you know camera taking 775 00:33:03,100 --> 00:33:01,610 cell phones in everybody's pocket why 776 00:33:07,690 --> 00:33:03,110 don't we have a really good clear 777 00:33:10,270 --> 00:33:07,700 picture of a UFO and and to me when I 778 00:33:12,370 --> 00:33:10,280 see a really clear picture the first 779 00:33:15,070 --> 00:33:12,380 thing I think of a CGI or something but 780 00:33:17,020 --> 00:33:15,080 so what what would be your answer to 781 00:33:21,220 --> 00:33:17,030 someone like seth shostack on that 782 00:33:23,950 --> 00:33:21,230 question well first of all it's you're 783 00:33:25,930 --> 00:33:23,960 not expecting to ever see a UFO so you 784 00:33:27,970 --> 00:33:25,940 have to see one you have to react I have 785 00:33:29,950 --> 00:33:27,980 to grab your phone you have to turn it 786 00:33:32,220 --> 00:33:29,960 on you have to quickly focus and frankly 787 00:33:35,140 --> 00:33:32,230 camera phones are not the best for 788 00:33:37,090 --> 00:33:35,150 taking pictures they they want to do 789 00:33:39,070 --> 00:33:37,100 everything automatically so they tend to 790 00:33:40,420 --> 00:33:39,080 fuzzy the picture you're trying to focus 791 00:33:42,490 --> 00:33:40,430 on the background and this thing can be 792 00:33:44,050 --> 00:33:42,500 so far away that they simply don't want 793 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:44,060 to focus on it so the picture often 794 00:33:49,900 --> 00:33:46,370 comes out fuzzy however I've seen some 795 00:33:52,270 --> 00:33:49,910 pretty darn good evidence of UFOs and 796 00:33:53,890 --> 00:33:52,280 our photo analysts that MUFON certainly 797 00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:53,900 have determined that many of them are 798 00:33:59,919 --> 00:33:57,770 real and not touched up or photoshopped 799 00:34:02,799 --> 00:33:59,929 I have a conversation with Mark Dantonio 800 00:34:05,380 --> 00:34:02,809 who's actually now he's uh you know 801 00:34:06,700 --> 00:34:05,390 muffins photo and video analysts a lot 802 00:34:09,159 --> 00:34:06,710 of people don't like him they think he's 803 00:34:12,490 --> 00:34:09,169 a debunker I like mark he's a character 804 00:34:14,649 --> 00:34:12,500 and he's you know basically says that 805 00:34:16,869 --> 00:34:14,659 there's only been a couple of photos 806 00:34:19,570 --> 00:34:16,879 that he thinks you know maybe really can 807 00:34:23,109 --> 00:34:19,580 be something he is really good at 808 00:34:24,580 --> 00:34:23,119 figuring out what is not just like you 809 00:34:28,230 --> 00:34:24,590 said earlier in your conversation you 810 00:34:30,369 --> 00:34:28,240 know what something is not you know I 811 00:34:32,470 --> 00:34:30,379 you know and I showed him something one 812 00:34:34,570 --> 00:34:32,480 time I thought for sure was a mistaken 813 00:34:36,790 --> 00:34:34,580 picture that I took and right away he 814 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:36,800 said it looks like something was on your 815 00:34:41,859 --> 00:34:39,770 window so sure enough I went into my car 816 00:34:43,060 --> 00:34:41,869 window and I looked at the angle where I 817 00:34:45,340 --> 00:34:43,070 took the picture and there was a little 818 00:34:48,090 --> 00:34:45,350 tiny piece of grass sitting on the 819 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:48,100 window that looked like a perfect disc 820 00:34:54,580 --> 00:34:53,210 so that can't happen but but anyway you 821 00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:54,590 know I I gotta tell you you just 822 00:35:00,850 --> 00:34:57,770 mentioned about how difficult phones can 823 00:35:05,020 --> 00:35:00,860 be or not that good but um I was out in 824 00:35:07,450 --> 00:35:05,030 my front yard on the water and a bald 825 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:07,460 eagle came in and landed like 25 feet 826 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:09,170 away from me in the water and grabbed a 827 00:35:13,390 --> 00:35:11,450 big fish and I'm fumbling and fumbling 828 00:35:17,380 --> 00:35:13,400 with my phone and by the time I actually 829 00:35:19,540 --> 00:35:17,390 got the photo whatever it's called the 830 00:35:23,109 --> 00:35:19,550 app open he was already gone he's 831 00:35:25,359 --> 00:35:23,119 already dragged up exactly and bird was 832 00:35:27,130 --> 00:35:25,369 flying away from you at any speed your 833 00:35:30,490 --> 00:35:27,140 camera would be trying to constantly 834 00:35:32,290 --> 00:35:30,500 focus on a vanishing dot and it's very 835 00:35:34,210 --> 00:35:32,300 hard for these automated cameras to do 836 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:34,220 that they want to focus on a wider field 837 00:35:38,890 --> 00:35:36,890 if they can and they do have their 838 00:35:41,650 --> 00:35:38,900 problems they also been noted for 839 00:35:43,060 --> 00:35:41,660 causing orbs the slightest decimal in a 840 00:35:45,849 --> 00:35:43,070 digital camera will pick it up and turn 841 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:45,859 it into an orb and I've had that happen 842 00:35:50,140 --> 00:35:48,050 to me I had a new house but walked in 843 00:35:51,940 --> 00:35:50,150 took some pictures I didn't see the orbs 844 00:35:53,140 --> 00:35:51,950 came out and all my photos were loaded 845 00:35:54,550 --> 00:35:53,150 with these little orbs all over the 846 00:35:57,250 --> 00:35:54,560 place turned out there were dust motes 847 00:36:00,099 --> 00:35:57,260 from that construction people so you in 848 00:36:03,310 --> 00:36:00,109 an investigation of a haunted mansion in 849 00:36:06,310 --> 00:36:03,320 Ohio I thought I had ectoplasm caught in 850 00:36:11,269 --> 00:36:06,320 one film it was my own breath good on 851 00:36:13,399 --> 00:36:11,279 camera you have to be so careful but 852 00:36:16,729 --> 00:36:13,409 has extremely careful we rule out about 853 00:36:18,079 --> 00:36:16,739 95% of all of the reports I have had 854 00:36:19,849 --> 00:36:18,089 reports that we're really darn good 855 00:36:22,759 --> 00:36:19,859 reports but because they took place near 856 00:36:26,359 --> 00:36:22,769 an airport or a private Airport I've had 857 00:36:28,459 --> 00:36:26,369 to discount them and and and and my 858 00:36:29,779 --> 00:36:28,469 state director here said well you don't 859 00:36:31,339 --> 00:36:29,789 think it happened so I think it probably 860 00:36:33,049 --> 00:36:31,349 happened to right it's probably as the 861 00:36:36,019 --> 00:36:33,059 way she described it but because of 862 00:36:38,449 --> 00:36:36,029 mitigating circumstances I can't say 863 00:36:39,620 --> 00:36:38,459 that this was a genuine UFO she saw it 864 00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:39,630 could have been other things and 865 00:36:43,489 --> 00:36:41,249 whenever it could have been other things 866 00:36:47,839 --> 00:36:43,499 we just say it was and then we don't 867 00:36:49,999 --> 00:36:47,849 count it as the UFO count uh you know 868 00:36:51,529 --> 00:36:50,009 the the landing lights you know they're 869 00:36:54,109 --> 00:36:51,539 coming at you they're big bright lights 870 00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:54,119 you kind of have to discount for the 871 00:36:58,489 --> 00:36:56,130 most part unless there's really strange 872 00:37:00,169 --> 00:36:58,499 activity when you're seeing a light in 873 00:37:03,259 --> 00:37:00,179 the sky a lot of times it's just the 874 00:37:04,759 --> 00:37:03,269 lightness guy you know so well that's 875 00:37:06,319 --> 00:37:04,769 true and it could be a satellite 876 00:37:07,969 --> 00:37:06,329 overhead it could be a plane in the 877 00:37:11,149 --> 00:37:07,979 distance could be a helicopter could be 878 00:37:15,019 --> 00:37:11,159 a drone these days right yeah we have we 879 00:37:19,069 --> 00:37:15,029 have a lot to a lot to look out for you 880 00:37:21,319 --> 00:37:19,079 know Chinese lanterns you name it where 881 00:37:24,499 --> 00:37:21,329 you know you can be fooled real quickly 882 00:37:26,929 --> 00:37:24,509 and in drones I don't think they're 883 00:37:29,390 --> 00:37:26,939 going to be going away so we really have 884 00:37:32,299 --> 00:37:29,400 to keep in mind when we see these things 885 00:37:34,699 --> 00:37:32,309 now I'm sure you've been following you 886 00:37:35,630 --> 00:37:34,709 know what's happened since I know you 887 00:37:37,249 --> 00:37:35,640 really didn't hear much of the 888 00:37:40,579 --> 00:37:37,259 conversation with Alejandro and I but 889 00:37:43,579 --> 00:37:40,589 what's been happening since the Pentagon 890 00:37:44,029 --> 00:37:43,589 admitted they we're looking into the UFO 891 00:37:47,829 --> 00:37:44,039 field 892 00:37:52,249 --> 00:37:47,839 Howard UFOs in general or some type of 893 00:37:54,199 --> 00:37:52,259 aerial threats and it's been an easier 894 00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:54,209 topic to talk about what's your what's 895 00:37:58,579 --> 00:37:56,130 your thoughts on that well I think it's 896 00:38:02,449 --> 00:37:58,589 the current flavor of the month kind of 897 00:38:05,299 --> 00:38:02,459 thing I think it's compelling I think it 898 00:38:07,099 --> 00:38:05,309 again we don't know a lot about it but 899 00:38:09,109 --> 00:38:07,109 what we do know tells us some of what we 900 00:38:11,439 --> 00:38:09,119 don't know we know that the Navy was 901 00:38:14,659 --> 00:38:11,449 highly interested in the Nimitz 902 00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:14,669 incidents of course we do know that the 903 00:38:18,589 --> 00:38:17,249 commander of the six Jets that when the 904 00:38:20,449 --> 00:38:18,599 squadron said this thing looked like a 905 00:38:22,669 --> 00:38:20,459 giant dick tag had no apparent 906 00:38:24,409 --> 00:38:22,679 propulsion system were wings it was like 907 00:38:24,620 --> 00:38:24,419 a white featureless cylinder but he 908 00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:24,630 could 909 00:38:29,030 --> 00:38:26,250 outmaneuver his Jets if they were 910 00:38:30,830 --> 00:38:29,040 standing still according to him you do 911 00:38:33,140 --> 00:38:30,840 have some ground-to-air radar just as we 912 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:33,150 did in Belgium these things are real I 913 00:38:38,090 --> 00:38:34,650 mean they're not our imagination they're 914 00:38:39,770 --> 00:38:38,100 not geese flying across the sky or 915 00:38:41,660 --> 00:38:39,780 someone misinterpreting something 916 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:41,670 these are trained observers these people 917 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:42,810 do this for a living 918 00:38:48,110 --> 00:38:45,810 we have policemen we have military 919 00:38:50,060 --> 00:38:48,120 personnel we have pilots both commercial 920 00:38:51,980 --> 00:38:50,070 and military who have all claimed on 921 00:38:54,050 --> 00:38:51,990 numerous occasions have spotted UFOs 922 00:38:58,190 --> 00:38:54,060 with witnesses to go with it including 923 00:39:00,170 --> 00:38:58,200 some of the control towers seeing them 924 00:39:02,510 --> 00:39:00,180 on radar as well we have people who've 925 00:39:04,310 --> 00:39:02,520 died from encounters with UFOs so if 926 00:39:04,850 --> 00:39:04,320 their imagination how the heck does that 927 00:39:07,430 --> 00:39:04,860 happen 928 00:39:09,830 --> 00:39:07,440 we've had people injured in the hundreds 929 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:09,840 we've had property damage this has been 930 00:39:14,510 --> 00:39:12,930 going on at least since 1947 and if you 931 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:14,520 look at historically apparently it's 932 00:39:19,310 --> 00:39:17,490 been going on for centuries can you tell 933 00:39:21,140 --> 00:39:19,320 us about any of the cases that you 934 00:39:23,390 --> 00:39:21,150 personally investigated that you thought 935 00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:23,400 were compelling well actually we're not 936 00:39:28,700 --> 00:39:25,410 really so you know we are supposed to 937 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:28,710 keep it as anonymous as possible but 938 00:39:33,710 --> 00:39:31,890 they range from the the mundane with 939 00:39:35,810 --> 00:39:33,720 someone saw a strange light in the sky I 940 00:39:38,630 --> 00:39:35,820 took a picture of it too where they saw 941 00:39:42,260 --> 00:39:38,640 silvery objects that danced about the 942 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:42,270 sky and had some video I've had other 943 00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:44,490 cases where one woman said she wrestled 944 00:39:48,500 --> 00:39:46,770 with a grey alien in her bedroom 945 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:48,510 never saw you for anything but this 946 00:39:52,820 --> 00:39:50,010 thing was attacking her and she tried to 947 00:39:59,750 --> 00:39:52,830 choke it to death 948 00:40:01,190 --> 00:39:59,760 and she was a minister so you have to 949 00:40:03,980 --> 00:40:01,200 sit there and you have to listen with an 950 00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:03,990 open mind because you don't know what 951 00:40:07,970 --> 00:40:06,090 anything and everything is capable of so 952 00:40:09,860 --> 00:40:07,980 I try to keep an open mind and listen to 953 00:40:11,270 --> 00:40:09,870 it but then I kind of have to discount 954 00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:11,280 it because number one it wasn't a UFO 955 00:40:16,540 --> 00:40:14,610 sighting and number two the wounds 956 00:40:19,670 --> 00:40:16,550 didn't strike me as incredibly stable 957 00:40:23,990 --> 00:40:19,680 and so therefore when I wrote it up I 958 00:40:26,990 --> 00:40:24,000 said not a sighting so that must be kind 959 00:40:28,730 --> 00:40:27,000 of difficult to make a judgment and I 960 00:40:30,020 --> 00:40:28,740 don't like doing it I'd rather just have 961 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:30,030 reported the information without having 962 00:40:34,490 --> 00:40:32,970 to do that final step of of what I have 963 00:40:36,050 --> 00:40:34,500 determined whether it is because that 964 00:40:37,730 --> 00:40:36,060 determines when it goes in the database 965 00:40:41,570 --> 00:40:37,740 or not 966 00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:41,580 a genuine sighting and and I don't know 967 00:40:45,410 --> 00:40:43,650 this woman Who am I to make a judgment 968 00:40:49,130 --> 00:40:45,420 colander after just one meeting and a 969 00:40:51,410 --> 00:40:49,140 couple phone conversations right how 970 00:40:54,230 --> 00:40:51,420 many would you say if you could kind of 971 00:40:56,870 --> 00:40:54,240 figure a calculation for the things that 972 00:40:59,080 --> 00:40:56,880 you've looked at end up being what's 973 00:41:02,720 --> 00:40:59,090 what they call an unknown and move on 974 00:41:05,510 --> 00:41:02,730 well quite a few are unknown I would say 975 00:41:07,130 --> 00:41:05,520 that only about my they're saying five 976 00:41:09,590 --> 00:41:07,140 percent on average but mine was more 977 00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:09,600 like seven or eight percent seem to have 978 00:41:13,370 --> 00:41:11,490 been a genuine UFO settings that people 979 00:41:15,830 --> 00:41:13,380 were reporting there was enough evidence 980 00:41:17,750 --> 00:41:15,840 to suppose that they were seeing 981 00:41:19,430 --> 00:41:17,760 something that wasn't everything else 982 00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:19,440 had been discounted that it could be I 983 00:41:22,910 --> 00:41:21,330 mean when we do an investigation we go 984 00:41:24,020 --> 00:41:22,920 out to the actual site we walked the 985 00:41:26,300 --> 00:41:24,030 grounds we look for any physical 986 00:41:28,460 --> 00:41:26,310 evidence on the ground we check all the 987 00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:28,470 weather records for that day we know if 988 00:41:32,780 --> 00:41:31,170 it was cloudy how windy it was we check 989 00:41:35,270 --> 00:41:32,790 air flight patterns out of the local 990 00:41:36,260 --> 00:41:35,280 airports international airports to make 991 00:41:38,330 --> 00:41:36,270 sure it couldn't have been anything at 992 00:41:40,070 --> 00:41:38,340 that at that given time and moment so 993 00:41:42,859 --> 00:41:40,080 we're really pretty thorough about it 994 00:41:45,770 --> 00:41:42,869 when we do these investigations right 995 00:41:48,050 --> 00:41:45,780 right and I I think there's a there's 996 00:41:50,390 --> 00:41:48,060 now some apps to that help you know an 997 00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:50,400 iPhone apps that actually help out with 998 00:41:56,420 --> 00:41:52,650 investigation from what I understand yes 999 00:41:59,150 --> 00:41:56,430 there are we prefer that the observer of 1000 00:42:02,030 --> 00:41:59,160 the incident doesn't use those we prefer 1001 00:42:03,859 --> 00:42:02,040 to get them unsullied if you know what I 1002 00:42:06,380 --> 00:42:03,869 mean not having spoken to many people 1003 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:06,390 first because every time a person tells 1004 00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:08,970 their story in embellishes one woman who 1005 00:42:13,010 --> 00:42:10,890 saw UFOs started off by saying she saw 1006 00:42:14,750 --> 00:42:13,020 it for about five or six seconds by the 1007 00:42:16,450 --> 00:42:14,760 end of our conversation she had seen it 1008 00:42:20,780 --> 00:42:16,460 for proximately four minutes 1009 00:42:23,630 --> 00:42:20,790 hmm so but things change as he says they 1010 00:42:25,130 --> 00:42:23,640 tell it to you right right and you know 1011 00:42:26,740 --> 00:42:25,140 you mentioned your brother and his 1012 00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:26,750 friend had missing time and that's 1013 00:42:31,849 --> 00:42:29,970 that's such a bizarre thing that's 1014 00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:31,859 almost like someone could do a show on 1015 00:42:36,260 --> 00:42:34,410 that alone he that was critical that was 1016 00:42:38,420 --> 00:42:36,270 critical to my getting involved in all 1017 00:42:39,950 --> 00:42:38,430 of this that was the I always had a 1018 00:42:41,660 --> 00:42:39,960 strong interest in the paranormal had 1019 00:42:44,420 --> 00:42:41,670 already been reading and researching it 1020 00:42:47,330 --> 00:42:44,430 but when my brother finally told me this 1021 00:42:50,370 --> 00:42:47,340 20 years or so or more after it happens 1022 00:42:51,870 --> 00:42:50,380 I was absolutely flabbergasted because 1023 00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:51,880 my brother was unimpeachable my 1024 00:42:55,170 --> 00:42:53,410 brotherís no liar and neither was his 1025 00:42:55,590 --> 00:42:55,180 friend Jean I'd grown up with them 1026 00:42:59,400 --> 00:42:55,600 nearby 1027 00:43:01,740 --> 00:42:59,410 you know I knew them and I mean John and 1028 00:43:03,330 --> 00:43:01,750 I knew my brother Mike and I know for a 1029 00:43:06,180 --> 00:43:03,340 fact that he wasn't lying 1030 00:43:07,950 --> 00:43:06,190 in fact he just was watching television 1031 00:43:09,630 --> 00:43:07,960 one night and the memory came back of 1032 00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:09,640 seeing a red light in the sky over the 1033 00:43:14,340 --> 00:43:11,770 desert when he his friend John were 1034 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:14,350 camping out was about midnight and he 1035 00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:15,850 said you know that looks like it came 1036 00:43:19,530 --> 00:43:17,530 down here or should we go investigate in 1037 00:43:21,300 --> 00:43:19,540 jungles yeah let's do it that's the last 1038 00:43:22,770 --> 00:43:21,310 thing they remember the next thing we 1039 00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:22,780 remember is striking camp in the morning 1040 00:43:27,390 --> 00:43:24,850 and John's father picking him up at 1041 00:43:29,310 --> 00:43:27,400 about 9:00 a.m. and they left now they 1042 00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:29,320 never spoke about it at all never said 1043 00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:30,850 hey how about that red light nothing 1044 00:43:35,220 --> 00:43:32,410 absolutely nothing they had no memory of 1045 00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:35,230 it and so my brother moved to Vegas John 1046 00:43:39,330 --> 00:43:37,810 stayed in San Diego and then my brother 1047 00:43:40,770 --> 00:43:39,340 remembered he called Johnny said you 1048 00:43:43,950 --> 00:43:40,780 remember this and John goes well I do 1049 00:43:46,140 --> 00:43:43,960 now I had until this morrow he said what 1050 00:43:47,970 --> 00:43:46,150 happened to us in Johnson I don't know 1051 00:43:50,340 --> 00:43:47,980 but they were so compelling for them 1052 00:43:51,930 --> 00:43:50,350 that John sold his house in San Diego 1053 00:43:53,850 --> 00:43:51,940 took his wife and kids and moved to Las 1054 00:43:55,770 --> 00:43:53,860 Vegas to be near my brother who was 1055 00:43:58,380 --> 00:43:55,780 living there at Nellis Air Force Base in 1056 00:44:00,540 --> 00:43:58,390 Antarian 51 at the time and they spent 1057 00:44:01,980 --> 00:44:00,550 years researching this and getting 1058 00:44:03,990 --> 00:44:01,990 heavily involved into it and then 1059 00:44:05,670 --> 00:44:04,000 abruptly my brother dropped it all 1060 00:44:08,220 --> 00:44:05,680 absolute wanted nothing what to do with 1061 00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:08,230 it do you know why did he say why 1062 00:44:13,260 --> 00:44:11,410 yeah well no yeah well yes and no it was 1063 00:44:15,030 --> 00:44:13,270 pretty obvious he was scared that he 1064 00:44:17,850 --> 00:44:15,040 felt it was going in a very negative 1065 00:44:20,130 --> 00:44:17,860 dark direction so I asked him I said 1066 00:44:23,070 --> 00:44:20,140 Mike on your deathbed if you could have 1067 00:44:25,830 --> 00:44:23,080 the answers would you like to know and 1068 00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:25,840 he said it depends and I said on what 1069 00:44:29,610 --> 00:44:27,490 whether the answers are good or bad 1070 00:44:32,130 --> 00:44:29,620 he said yes exactly I said so you'd 1071 00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:32,140 rather die on knowing he said yes I just 1072 00:44:36,090 --> 00:44:33,970 want to have what's left of my life and 1073 00:44:39,420 --> 00:44:36,100 peace and quiet and I don't want to know 1074 00:44:42,540 --> 00:44:39,430 any more about any of this I totally get 1075 00:44:44,010 --> 00:44:42,550 that yeah I mean you can imagine that 1076 00:44:46,110 --> 00:44:44,020 you know if you've been through what 1077 00:44:48,330 --> 00:44:46,120 he'd been through so I mean he did have 1078 00:44:50,430 --> 00:44:48,340 an implant that was gouged out he did 1079 00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:50,440 have a scoop mark I have no doubt that 1080 00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:52,570 he was probably abducted although he 1081 00:44:56,460 --> 00:44:54,490 will not say that and I will not say 1082 00:45:01,110 --> 00:44:56,470 that because we do not have evidence and 1083 00:45:03,150 --> 00:45:01,120 I'm an evidence kind of guy hmm okay 1084 00:45:04,230 --> 00:45:03,160 well we have let's see we have about 1085 00:45:07,829 --> 00:45:04,240 five minutes left 1086 00:45:10,020 --> 00:45:07,839 so I did want to talk I listen to you on 1087 00:45:11,670 --> 00:45:10,030 another show and I wanted to I don't 1088 00:45:14,609 --> 00:45:11,680 want to say I want to debate you but I 1089 00:45:18,240 --> 00:45:14,619 just wanted to I wanted to challenge you 1090 00:45:19,230 --> 00:45:18,250 a little bit on on you you have a I 1091 00:45:22,170 --> 00:45:19,240 think you've written a couple books 1092 00:45:24,599 --> 00:45:22,180 about you have a theory that the moon 1093 00:45:27,300 --> 00:45:24,609 may be hollow so I wanted to wanted to 1094 00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:27,310 talk a little bit about that in the five 1095 00:45:30,990 --> 00:45:29,890 or so minutes we have sure break well it 1096 00:45:33,210 --> 00:45:31,000 started when I was on coast-to-coast 1097 00:45:34,770 --> 00:45:33,220 radio George Noory asked me when I 1098 00:45:37,020 --> 00:45:34,780 thought of the hollow moon theory and I 1099 00:45:38,339 --> 00:45:37,030 laughed I said not much I think it's 1100 00:45:41,670 --> 00:45:38,349 silly the moon stare it's in the sky 1101 00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:41,680 pulsar tides it's no and then I started 1102 00:45:46,140 --> 00:45:43,450 investigating it just tweaked my 1103 00:45:49,500 --> 00:45:46,150 imagination and the evidence I found 1104 00:45:52,079 --> 00:45:49,510 although not conclusive is certainly 1105 00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:52,089 intriguing I mean we have no good theory 1106 00:45:55,620 --> 00:45:53,770 for the origin of the Moon not even now 1107 00:45:57,150 --> 00:45:55,630 with the impact Theory there's a lot of 1108 00:45:59,190 --> 00:45:57,160 things wrong with it there's a lot of 1109 00:46:01,680 --> 00:45:59,200 oddities about the moon its density is 1110 00:46:03,300 --> 00:46:01,690 too low for its size and yet the rock 1111 00:46:04,650 --> 00:46:03,310 seems to be made of the same material as 1112 00:46:07,170 --> 00:46:04,660 our rock here on earth the Earth's 1113 00:46:08,250 --> 00:46:07,180 mantle so if it's the same material and 1114 00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:08,260 the moon's as large it is 1115 00:46:13,349 --> 00:46:10,810 where's the missing mass it has to be 1116 00:46:15,540 --> 00:46:13,359 taken from somewhere so it's either got 1117 00:46:17,130 --> 00:46:15,550 large caverns or it's hollow several 1118 00:46:19,079 --> 00:46:17,140 scientists including a couple of NASA 1119 00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:19,089 have I've quoted them in my book 1120 00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:21,010 literally say it's easier to explain the 1121 00:46:25,079 --> 00:46:23,050 non-existence of the moon than to 1122 00:46:27,510 --> 00:46:25,089 explain its existence and another one 1123 00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:27,520 said the way the size and graphs left on 1124 00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:29,650 the moon recorded moon quakes seemed to 1125 00:46:35,609 --> 00:46:32,170 show that the moon either had a very 1126 00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:35,619 strange core that doesn't allow seismic 1127 00:46:40,589 --> 00:46:37,210 waves to travel through it which is very 1128 00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:40,599 bizarre or it's hollow it raises the 1129 00:46:44,130 --> 00:46:41,890 frightening question that the moon may 1130 00:46:46,380 --> 00:46:44,140 be Hollow and this goes on and on and 1131 00:46:48,210 --> 00:46:46,390 and then was to Soviet scientists came 1132 00:46:50,099 --> 00:46:48,220 out with the idea of the spaceship moon 1133 00:46:52,500 --> 00:46:50,109 theory in the 70s they were members of 1134 00:46:55,109 --> 00:46:52,510 the Soviet Science Academy so there's 1135 00:46:57,540 --> 00:46:55,119 big names involved here McDonald of NASA 1136 00:46:59,970 --> 00:46:57,550 and all sorts of others of osteen 1137 00:47:02,040 --> 00:46:59,980 scherbakov all these people have talked 1138 00:47:02,790 --> 00:47:02,050 about this and delved into it and 1139 00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:02,800 they've come up with some very 1140 00:47:09,599 --> 00:47:07,930 reasonable scenarios the big craters on 1141 00:47:11,190 --> 00:47:09,609 the moon are shallow the small is your 1142 00:47:12,839 --> 00:47:11,200 deep as if it was an inner shell that 1143 00:47:15,870 --> 00:47:12,849 was making the big meteorites bounce 1144 00:47:18,130 --> 00:47:15,880 back up the layers on the moon the top 1145 00:47:19,720 --> 00:47:18,140 three layers of soil are reverse order 1146 00:47:21,850 --> 00:47:19,730 with the dentist being on top and the 1147 00:47:23,530 --> 00:47:21,860 lightest being three layers down we 1148 00:47:25,930 --> 00:47:23,540 can't go with that would that have 1149 00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:25,940 anything to do with that Monsieur 1150 00:47:30,550 --> 00:47:28,850 that would have to do anything that has 1151 00:47:32,470 --> 00:47:30,560 gravity will have the densest material 1152 00:47:34,210 --> 00:47:32,480 in the center and the lightest material 1153 00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:34,220 on the surface throw a bunch of 1154 00:47:36,820 --> 00:47:35,450 different types of soil into a glass of 1155 00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:36,830 water shake it up really good and let it 1156 00:47:40,810 --> 00:47:38,090 settle you'll see all sorts of layers 1157 00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:40,820 the densest are always at the bottom but 1158 00:47:45,460 --> 00:47:43,610 like helium-3 which I know there's a lot 1159 00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:45,470 of on the moon isn't that like more 1160 00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:47,450 toward the surface and then that like a 1161 00:47:53,500 --> 00:47:51,290 lighter material it's it is a lighter 1162 00:47:57,130 --> 00:47:53,510 material and it is not atmospheric it's 1163 00:47:58,540 --> 00:47:57,140 not gaseous in nature but so there is no 1164 00:48:00,160 --> 00:47:58,550 atmosphere and when to speak of in fact 1165 00:48:02,470 --> 00:48:00,170 when the Apollo moon landing and 1166 00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:02,480 jettisoned its tanks it actually 1167 00:48:05,890 --> 00:48:04,130 incrementally gave the moon a tiny bit 1168 00:48:08,770 --> 00:48:05,900 of atmosphere it was big at the time 1169 00:48:10,810 --> 00:48:08,780 because it's so close to a vacuum but we 1170 00:48:13,150 --> 00:48:10,820 also have strange lights on the moon we 1171 00:48:14,230 --> 00:48:13,160 over a NASA Commission report over the 1172 00:48:16,150 --> 00:48:14,240 last 500 years 1173 00:48:18,900 --> 00:48:16,160 and it's still going on right now we 1174 00:48:21,090 --> 00:48:18,910 have seen streaks flashes beacons tracks 1175 00:48:23,650 --> 00:48:21,100 volcanoes are no volcanoes on the moon 1176 00:48:25,630 --> 00:48:23,660 we have seen miss we have seen fogs 1177 00:48:27,460 --> 00:48:25,640 we've seen strange lights we've seen 1178 00:48:29,590 --> 00:48:27,470 blinking lights and a lot of blue lights 1179 00:48:31,990 --> 00:48:29,600 there's one crater that is so known for 1180 00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:32,000 this phenomena that it Aristarchus 1181 00:48:36,460 --> 00:48:33,650 crater that is referred to by 1182 00:48:39,430 --> 00:48:36,470 astronomers not me astronomers as the 1183 00:48:41,650 --> 00:48:39,440 blue gem now if the moon's a dead world 1184 00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:41,660 with no atmosphere what is all this 1185 00:48:48,550 --> 00:48:45,650 stuff what are the what are they trying 1186 00:48:54,910 --> 00:48:48,560 to explain these phenomena that you just 1187 00:48:56,230 --> 00:48:54,920 mentioned well yes the problem is 1188 00:48:58,360 --> 00:48:56,240 there's so many different types of these 1189 00:49:00,430 --> 00:48:58,370 they call it transient luna lunar 1190 00:49:02,770 --> 00:49:00,440 phenomena and report by NASA was 1191 00:49:04,750 --> 00:49:02,780 commissioned by NASA and it's online you 1192 00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:04,760 can take a look up at it or get my book 1193 00:49:10,570 --> 00:49:08,810 it's at the back of my book and but no 1194 00:49:13,950 --> 00:49:10,580 one explanation can explain all of it 1195 00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:13,960 for instance about a century ago and 1196 00:49:17,530 --> 00:49:15,770 volcanoes what they thought were 1197 00:49:19,090 --> 00:49:17,540 volcanoes who noticed on the moon these 1198 00:49:21,100 --> 00:49:19,100 were just quick blips and gone these 1199 00:49:24,190 --> 00:49:21,110 went on for months some things went on 1200 00:49:25,690 --> 00:49:24,200 for years this they call it transient 1201 00:49:27,130 --> 00:49:25,700 lunar phenomena and a lot of it is very 1202 00:49:29,140 --> 00:49:27,140 transient but some of it sticks around 1203 00:49:31,269 --> 00:49:29,150 enough for other observatories to 1204 00:49:33,789 --> 00:49:31,279 observe it easily and over 1205 00:49:36,039 --> 00:49:33,799 long periods of time but the mood has no 1206 00:49:37,599 --> 00:49:36,049 volcanoes so what were they seeing what 1207 00:49:39,339 --> 00:49:37,609 they're seeing lightening of them but 1208 00:49:42,189 --> 00:49:39,349 there's no atmosphere how do you get 1209 00:49:44,799 --> 00:49:42,199 lightning and avoid they're seeing 1210 00:49:46,179 --> 00:49:44,809 tracks and streaks and beacons and these 1211 00:49:48,370 --> 00:49:46,189 flashes and they're in different 1212 00:49:51,309 --> 00:49:48,380 locations but principally around two 1213 00:49:54,339 --> 00:49:51,319 craters Plato and Aristotle believed of 1214 00:49:55,870 --> 00:49:54,349 the two how do we comfort neptunium 237 1215 00:49:57,429 --> 00:49:55,880 being on the moon it's half-life is less 1216 00:49:59,799 --> 00:49:57,439 than two and a half million years 1217 00:50:01,959 --> 00:49:59,809 there should be no neptunium 237 on the 1218 00:50:05,319 --> 00:50:01,969 moon there's none on the earth we have 1219 00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:05,329 debated artificially how is that created 1220 00:50:11,949 --> 00:50:10,130 naturally it's I don't even know what it 1221 00:50:14,140 --> 00:50:11,959 is well it's a highly radioactive 1222 00:50:16,149 --> 00:50:14,150 substance it has a very short half-life 1223 00:50:17,679 --> 00:50:16,159 of just under two and a half million 1224 00:50:22,089 --> 00:50:17,689 years relatively speaking short 1225 00:50:23,890 --> 00:50:22,099 half-life it can occur naturally it 1226 00:50:25,059 --> 00:50:23,900 probably was on earth at the beginning 1227 00:50:27,579 --> 00:50:25,069 but because the earth is four-and-a-half 1228 00:50:29,859 --> 00:50:27,589 billion years old and a half life of 1229 00:50:32,140 --> 00:50:29,869 neptunium 237 is only two and a half 1230 00:50:34,329 --> 00:50:32,150 million years it long since ceased to 1231 00:50:35,799 --> 00:50:34,339 exist on the earth if the moon is that 1232 00:50:37,989 --> 00:50:35,809 old it should have ceased utterly to 1233 00:50:40,269 --> 00:50:37,999 exist on the moon - but it's there we 1234 00:50:43,569 --> 00:50:40,279 also have titanium on the moon in larger 1235 00:50:46,329 --> 00:50:43,579 amounts than on the earth we have these 1236 00:50:48,249 --> 00:50:46,339 large Mario these flat gray areas that 1237 00:50:50,380 --> 00:50:48,259 they believe are lava flows they're only 1238 00:50:51,219 --> 00:50:50,390 on the side facing the earth on the far 1239 00:50:53,979 --> 00:50:51,229 side of the moon 1240 00:50:55,479 --> 00:50:53,989 there aren't any there are leaner let me 1241 00:50:58,329 --> 00:50:55,489 ask this going back to the radioactive 1242 00:51:00,130 --> 00:50:58,339 material does an atmosphere play any 1243 00:51:04,149 --> 00:51:00,140 aspect and a half-life on a material 1244 00:51:06,399 --> 00:51:04,159 like that normally no already it's it's 1245 00:51:09,819 --> 00:51:06,409 a it's a constant rate of decay like 1246 00:51:11,679 --> 00:51:09,829 uranium u-238 polonium any of this stuff 1247 00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:11,689 I mean any of the radioactive isotopes 1248 00:51:15,909 --> 00:51:13,729 at the top end to be a periodic table 1249 00:51:17,289 --> 00:51:15,919 and the higher you go the shorter of the 1250 00:51:20,370 --> 00:51:17,299 half-lives are some of them are mere 1251 00:51:23,799 --> 00:51:20,380 split seconds before they decay I mean 1252 00:51:26,109 --> 00:51:23,809 uranium utility u-238 has a half-life of 1253 00:51:27,909 --> 00:51:26,119 four and a half billion years so we only 1254 00:51:29,499 --> 00:51:27,919 have half left of what the earth started 1255 00:51:32,380 --> 00:51:29,509 out with four and a half billion years 1256 00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:32,390 ago the rest of eventually degraded into 1257 00:51:38,829 --> 00:51:34,249 some other element I believe it was led 1258 00:51:40,689 --> 00:51:38,839 but so and that's odd because lead can 1259 00:51:42,939 --> 00:51:40,699 stop radiation isn't it funny something 1260 00:51:45,009 --> 00:51:42,949 should decay from a radioactive state to 1261 00:51:46,899 --> 00:51:45,019 something that blocks radiation 1262 00:51:48,549 --> 00:51:46,909 strange yeah if it is let I'm not I 1263 00:51:49,779 --> 00:51:48,559 think I remember reading it does decay 1264 00:51:50,799 --> 00:51:49,789 eventually into lead but I'm not 1265 00:51:53,949 --> 00:51:50,809 positive about that 1266 00:51:56,349 --> 00:51:53,959 well the time heartstrings oh alright 1267 00:51:58,239 --> 00:51:56,359 we're ready to go into break so on 1268 00:51:59,019 --> 00:51:58,249 YouTube hang in there we'll be back in a 1269 00:52:02,559 --> 00:51:59,029 few minutes 1270 00:52:07,089 --> 00:52:02,569 over at kgr a radio we'll be back right 1271 00:52:09,860 --> 00:52:07,099 after a messages so again hang in we'll 1272 00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:09,870 be right back right after these messages 1273 00:52:21,710 --> 00:52:18,410 [Music] 1274 00:52:24,410 --> 00:52:21,720 all right welcome back to the show my 1275 00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:24,420 guest this evening is Rob shale ski and 1276 00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:27,330 we are talking well we were talking 1277 00:52:34,070 --> 00:52:30,530 about the moon when we went to to break 1278 00:52:35,630 --> 00:52:34,080 his idea or I don't want to say it's not 1279 00:52:38,390 --> 00:52:35,640 your theory but it's something that 1280 00:52:40,790 --> 00:52:38,400 you've actually been paying attention to 1281 00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:40,800 is that the best way to put it well it 1282 00:52:44,150 --> 00:52:42,450 was something I became above with began 1283 00:52:46,430 --> 00:52:44,160 researching because they just wanted 1284 00:52:47,990 --> 00:52:46,440 again to have some answers and the 1285 00:52:50,090 --> 00:52:48,000 answers I've gotten seem to indicate 1286 00:52:54,140 --> 00:52:50,100 that we can't account for the moon's 1287 00:52:56,300 --> 00:52:54,150 origin not even now we do not understand 1288 00:52:58,070 --> 00:52:56,310 why the moon is so odd we don't 1289 00:52:59,480 --> 00:52:58,080 understand a great deal about the moon 1290 00:53:01,370 --> 00:52:59,490 we don't understand why we have such a 1291 00:53:03,650 --> 00:53:01,380 big moon we don't understand why it has 1292 00:53:05,390 --> 00:53:03,660 such a nicely circular orbit we don't 1293 00:53:08,060 --> 00:53:05,400 understand why it's right at the perfect 1294 00:53:10,220 --> 00:53:08,070 distance for full solar eclipses and to 1295 00:53:12,950 --> 00:53:10,230 do the vernal and autumnal equinox and 1296 00:53:16,010 --> 00:53:12,960 solstice it's all sisters and we don't 1297 00:53:19,340 --> 00:53:16,020 know why the moon is behaving the way it 1298 00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:19,350 does it rings like a bell I mean it 1299 00:53:22,370 --> 00:53:21,090 struck now one NASA scientist just 1300 00:53:24,380 --> 00:53:22,380 recently said well it doesn't actually 1301 00:53:25,790 --> 00:53:24,390 ring like a bell it resonates well 1302 00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:25,800 that's exactly what the bill does when 1303 00:53:30,730 --> 00:53:27,450 you strike it it resonates and to us 1304 00:53:34,070 --> 00:53:30,740 that's a ring well on that in particular 1305 00:53:38,090 --> 00:53:34,080 there are what's called ringing rocks 1306 00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:38,100 you know like there's a place a park I 1307 00:53:41,930 --> 00:53:40,290 think it's called like ringing Rock Park 1308 00:53:44,750 --> 00:53:41,940 where you hit hit a rock with a hammer 1309 00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:44,760 and it rings right for a very short time 1310 00:53:50,450 --> 00:53:47,490 not for hours when the moon is struck by 1311 00:53:53,270 --> 00:53:50,460 a when they dropped the the the the base 1312 00:53:55,310 --> 00:53:53,280 of the Apollo ship back onto the moon 1313 00:53:56,900 --> 00:53:55,320 they what they did quite deliberately 1314 00:53:58,910 --> 00:53:56,910 they wanted to hear what it did to the 1315 00:54:01,730 --> 00:53:58,920 seismographs and you know how they 1316 00:54:04,790 --> 00:54:01,740 responded and the moon vibrated for 1317 00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:04,800 hours hours not 5 or 10 minutes or 1318 00:54:10,790 --> 00:54:08,610 seconds or even half an hour hours which 1319 00:54:13,790 --> 00:54:10,800 I would as a scientist said makes them 1320 00:54:16,250 --> 00:54:13,800 wonder if the moon isn't Hollow well 1321 00:54:19,850 --> 00:54:16,260 well the earth would never do that 1322 00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:19,860 because it has a mantle and you know 1323 00:54:25,610 --> 00:54:23,370 above it so it's not the rocky part of 1324 00:54:28,610 --> 00:54:25,620 it's not so accessible but if you take 1325 00:54:29,900 --> 00:54:28,620 if you took like a metal even bell metal 1326 00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:29,910 or something like that and you made a 1327 00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:30,650 sphere 1328 00:54:34,570 --> 00:54:32,570 of it and you tried to ring it it's not 1329 00:54:37,990 --> 00:54:34,580 gonna ring I don't believe I think I 1330 00:54:41,290 --> 00:54:38,000 think you need like a open surface for 1331 00:54:43,990 --> 00:54:41,300 it to ring but solid rock can ring you 1332 00:54:46,810 --> 00:54:44,000 know I mean I'm just trying to you know 1333 00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:46,820 be devil's advocate here well two things 1334 00:54:50,950 --> 00:54:49,610 the earth does vibrate when we have 1335 00:54:53,590 --> 00:54:50,960 earthquakes they travel back and forth 1336 00:54:55,420 --> 00:54:53,600 across earth sometimes for hours now 1337 00:54:57,760 --> 00:54:55,430 with us they go through our core and out 1338 00:54:59,260 --> 00:54:57,770 the other side and back again now on the 1339 00:55:00,490 --> 00:54:59,270 moon they don't go through the core they 1340 00:55:02,050 --> 00:55:00,500 go around the core but they don't go 1341 00:55:03,850 --> 00:55:02,060 through the core which again the one 1342 00:55:06,070 --> 00:55:03,860 that asked the scientist said raises the 1343 00:55:08,580 --> 00:55:06,080 alarming idea that the moon either has a 1344 00:55:10,990 --> 00:55:08,590 very strange core indeed or it's Hollow 1345 00:55:13,240 --> 00:55:11,000 so yes the earth will vibrate well I 1346 00:55:15,250 --> 00:55:13,250 would prefer vibration rather than 1347 00:55:18,490 --> 00:55:15,260 ringing the ringing it is a bit of a 1348 00:55:20,290 --> 00:55:18,500 melodramatic phrase the moon can't ring 1349 00:55:22,510 --> 00:55:20,300 because there's no air you wouldn't hear 1350 00:55:25,090 --> 00:55:22,520 anything but it vibrated it resonated 1351 00:55:28,540 --> 00:55:25,100 and yes you can have an object that's a 1352 00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:28,550 miracle of metal and strike it you won't 1353 00:55:32,620 --> 00:55:30,890 hear it ringing because the sound is 1354 00:55:34,990 --> 00:55:32,630 inside of the sphere and very muffled 1355 00:55:37,090 --> 00:55:35,000 underneath that metal but they do ring 1356 00:55:39,490 --> 00:55:37,100 in the sense that they vibrate and 1357 00:55:41,770 --> 00:55:39,500 normally when the earth is struck it 1358 00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:41,780 will vibrate for a short while but it 1359 00:55:46,710 --> 00:55:44,210 won't vibrate for hours and that's just 1360 00:55:49,300 --> 00:55:46,720 one of the problems with the moon I mean 1361 00:55:51,100 --> 00:55:49,310 the list actually just goes on and on 1362 00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:51,110 everything from that helium-3 neptunium 1363 00:55:57,970 --> 00:55:56,330 237 to Aristarchus crater and again 1364 00:56:03,220 --> 00:55:57,980 there is that problem with these myths 1365 00:56:05,140 --> 00:56:03,230 and these clouds and these markings we 1366 00:56:06,730 --> 00:56:05,150 see on the moon it's almost as if 1367 00:56:09,010 --> 00:56:06,740 something's moving around on the lunar 1368 00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:09,020 surface that time and then it's gone it 1369 00:56:13,660 --> 00:56:11,330 vanishes and of course there was that 1370 00:56:16,780 --> 00:56:13,670 weird space music from Apollo 12 when 1371 00:56:18,340 --> 00:56:16,790 they circled the moon I'm sorry I think 1372 00:56:19,750 --> 00:56:18,350 was Apollo 10 when they circled the moon 1373 00:56:22,990 --> 00:56:19,760 just the one before they landed there 1374 00:56:24,940 --> 00:56:23,000 and 11 was the first landing so I think 1375 00:56:27,820 --> 00:56:24,950 this must have been 10 but they circled 1376 00:56:29,890 --> 00:56:27,830 the moon and they picked up with the 1377 00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:29,900 call space music on the far side of the 1378 00:56:33,580 --> 00:56:30,290 Moon 1379 00:56:35,950 --> 00:56:33,590 now the problem there is there was you 1380 00:56:37,300 --> 00:56:35,960 can't beam radio stations to the far 1381 00:56:39,010 --> 00:56:37,310 side of the moon of anything in orbit 1382 00:56:41,230 --> 00:56:39,020 there they won't get it if they're the 1383 00:56:42,670 --> 00:56:41,240 shadow of the moon the moon blocks it 1384 00:56:44,620 --> 00:56:42,680 it's not it has to be direct 1385 00:56:46,810 --> 00:56:44,630 line-of-sight so to speak so 1386 00:56:48,850 --> 00:56:46,820 whatever they were picking up wasn't 1387 00:56:49,810 --> 00:56:48,860 anything from our satellites or earth or 1388 00:56:52,240 --> 00:56:49,820 anything like that 1389 00:56:53,410 --> 00:56:52,250 secondly NASA said oh well it's probably 1390 00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:53,420 interference 1391 00:56:57,010 --> 00:56:55,010 these are trained astronauts and they 1392 00:56:59,320 --> 00:56:57,020 even kept some of the music so you can 1393 00:57:01,090 --> 00:56:59,330 hear it this is not interference what it 1394 00:57:07,390 --> 00:57:01,100 is I don't know but I can tell you what 1395 00:57:10,510 --> 00:57:07,400 it's not again well what would be the 1396 00:57:12,130 --> 00:57:10,520 purpose of the moon being hollow or is 1397 00:57:14,020 --> 00:57:12,140 there a purpose to the moon being home 1398 00:57:18,190 --> 00:57:14,030 if if it was indeed home 1399 00:57:19,390 --> 00:57:18,200 well the scene is scherbakov felt that 1400 00:57:21,610 --> 00:57:19,400 the reason the moon was Hollow is 1401 00:57:23,290 --> 00:57:21,620 because it was a spaceship that it had 1402 00:57:26,290 --> 00:57:23,300 either been terraformed into one or he 1403 00:57:29,350 --> 00:57:26,300 is just one and had been shifted either 1404 00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:29,360 into closer Earth orbit or somehow it 1405 00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:31,490 been shifted from what evidence I can 1406 00:57:37,270 --> 00:57:33,650 find this may have taken place about 1407 00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:37,280 12,000 years ago or 10,000 BCE the 1408 00:57:41,950 --> 00:57:39,770 evidence seems to show that there was a 1409 00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:41,960 time and we had no moon in our skies in 1410 00:57:46,660 --> 00:57:44,450 fact the Greeks referred to a time 1411 00:57:48,700 --> 00:57:46,670 before they inhabited Greece when the 1412 00:57:50,410 --> 00:57:48,710 process aleene's lived there these were 1413 00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:50,420 people who lived there before there was 1414 00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:52,010 a moon and they're called pro Celine's 1415 00:57:56,590 --> 00:57:54,770 literally before there was a moon the 1416 00:58:00,340 --> 00:57:56,600 Romans referred to the pasta liens as 1417 00:58:02,410 --> 00:58:00,350 well we have stories of by American 1418 00:58:04,870 --> 00:58:02,420 North South and Central American tribes 1419 00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:04,880 that always begin their stories or 1420 00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:06,890 legends with in the time before there 1421 00:58:13,390 --> 00:58:11,330 was a moon so we we do have some 1422 00:58:15,250 --> 00:58:13,400 recorded history that seems to date back 1423 00:58:17,020 --> 00:58:15,260 to the time before there was a moan and 1424 00:58:18,970 --> 00:58:17,030 people say well the moon has tides 1425 00:58:21,130 --> 00:58:18,980 without the tides life when you've 1426 00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:21,140 evolved the way it did yeah it's kind of 1427 00:58:25,620 --> 00:58:23,330 just gonna bring that up well first of 1428 00:58:28,390 --> 00:58:25,630 all we do have ties the Earth's 1429 00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:28,400 centrifugal force from rotating actually 1430 00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:29,930 causes tides so the oceans don't quite 1431 00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:32,090 keep up with our rotation so that causes 1432 00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:34,730 a tide The Sun Also causes tides so at 1433 00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:37,130 times I don't know about the last part 1434 00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:39,530 you just said there the rotation because 1435 00:58:44,650 --> 00:58:42,290 if that was the case then there'd be so 1436 00:58:46,770 --> 00:58:44,660 many things affected by the rotation if 1437 00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:46,780 a tide was affected by a rotation 1438 00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:50,210 remember it's a very mild effect it 1439 00:58:54,450 --> 00:58:51,890 causes a slight lowering of the tides 1440 00:58:58,180 --> 00:58:54,460 not nearly as severe as the moon does 1441 00:59:00,370 --> 00:58:58,190 you know I know we can have tidal pull 1442 00:59:02,710 --> 00:59:00,380 from the nearest planet or the Sun 1443 00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:02,720 there's all title it's all it all works 1444 00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:06,770 in together but as far as the rotation I 1445 00:59:11,950 --> 00:59:08,810 would think that you know with the 1446 00:59:14,020 --> 00:59:11,960 gravity it's just like we don't feel any 1447 00:59:16,690 --> 00:59:14,030 part of the rotation we there's no other 1448 00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:16,700 evidence of what a rotation would cause 1449 00:59:21,490 --> 00:59:18,530 for a title change that I'm aware of 1450 00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:21,500 well actually we have the Coriolis 1451 00:59:27,070 --> 00:59:24,770 effect which comes from centrifugal 1452 00:59:28,750 --> 00:59:27,080 force and that's what causes our jet 1453 00:59:30,250 --> 00:59:28,760 streams the reason we have such powerful 1454 00:59:32,590 --> 00:59:30,260 jet streams looping around the planet 1455 00:59:34,450 --> 00:59:32,600 from west to east it's because of the 1456 00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:34,460 rotation of the earth the air isn't 1457 00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:37,490 moving as fast as the ground is so it 1458 00:59:42,780 --> 00:59:40,610 creates went and we call it the jet 1459 00:59:44,620 --> 00:59:42,790 stream that's a very simplified 1460 00:59:47,500 --> 00:59:44,630 explanation for it but it's an accurate 1461 00:59:48,850 --> 00:59:47,510 one hmm I always thought that was had 1462 00:59:53,410 --> 00:59:48,860 something to do with the power of the 1463 00:59:55,660 --> 00:59:53,420 Sun causing that the Sun helps the air 1464 00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:55,670 rise it helps to do a lot of things but 1465 00:59:59,050 --> 00:59:57,290 the fact that that wind is moving always 1466 01:00:02,260 --> 00:59:59,060 in the same pattern around the earth is 1467 01:00:04,750 --> 01:00:02,270 from the Coriolis effect Coriolis effect 1468 01:00:10,180 --> 01:00:04,760 well you certainly give me a lot of 1469 01:00:13,860 --> 01:00:10,190 things to research yeah I find it I find 1470 01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:13,870 it interesting so if isn't part of our 1471 01:00:21,460 --> 01:00:19,010 our evolution based on like the drastic 1472 01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:21,470 tidal changes I mean I don't know I'm 1473 01:00:26,110 --> 01:00:23,210 just throwing that out there it seems 1474 01:00:28,030 --> 01:00:26,120 like well biologists you know there are 1475 01:00:31,540 --> 01:00:28,040 a lot of species that do depend on our 1476 01:00:34,540 --> 01:00:31,550 moon and the cycle of the moon and it's 1477 01:00:35,890 --> 01:00:34,550 no doubt about it but life evolves and 1478 01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:35,900 changes very quickly to match 1479 01:00:41,170 --> 01:00:38,690 circumstances now did we not have a moon 1480 01:00:43,570 --> 01:00:41,180 at all I I'm not going to say that I 1481 01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:43,580 think the moon shifted position sometime 1482 01:00:48,310 --> 01:00:46,610 around 12,000 years ago and I think 1483 01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:48,320 that's what happened did the moon just 1484 01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:50,570 arrive it could have but you know we 1485 01:00:53,950 --> 01:00:51,890 know the moon wasn't captured by the 1486 01:00:55,510 --> 01:00:53,960 earth because it's just mathematically 1487 01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:55,520 impossible for something that large to 1488 01:00:57,640 --> 01:00:56,930 go into a perfect circular orbit around 1489 01:00:59,560 --> 01:00:57,650 the earth 1490 01:01:01,420 --> 01:00:59,570 unless something acted as a brake on it 1491 01:01:03,250 --> 01:01:01,430 and that braking would have had to been 1492 01:01:05,230 --> 01:01:03,260 a much more extensive atmosphere than we 1493 01:01:08,710 --> 01:01:05,240 have now and none of our evidence shows 1494 01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:08,720 that ever happened or ever was that way 1495 01:01:13,810 --> 01:01:11,530 so yeah the moon had to be 1496 01:01:15,940 --> 01:01:13,820 supposedly shifted into position or 1497 01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:15,950 moved here now this may sound really 1498 01:01:20,410 --> 01:01:17,570 wacko but you know Carl Sagan himself 1499 01:01:22,690 --> 01:01:20,420 said that one of our best space spaces 1500 01:01:24,490 --> 01:01:22,700 could be a hollowed-out asteroid you 1501 01:01:26,860 --> 01:01:24,500 shift went into orbit around the earth 1502 01:01:29,140 --> 01:01:26,870 and it'd be much quicker and much easier 1503 01:01:30,700 --> 01:01:29,150 to basically turn that into a space 1504 01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:30,710 station than to try to haul everything 1505 01:01:35,620 --> 01:01:32,930 up at great expense from Earth and to do 1506 01:01:37,450 --> 01:01:35,630 it plus when you're done you would have 1507 01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:37,460 an asteroid that you could hit fifty 1508 01:01:40,930 --> 01:01:39,290 thousand people inside for an average 1509 01:01:43,210 --> 01:01:40,940 asteroid not even one of the big ones 1510 01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:43,220 and on top of that if it was a 1511 01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:44,690 nickel-iron asteroid you'd have a 1512 01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:47,330 marvelous protective device a shield 1513 01:01:52,150 --> 01:01:50,090 against you and radiation solar flares 1514 01:01:53,890 --> 01:01:52,160 all that sort of thing cosmic rays you 1515 01:01:56,050 --> 01:01:53,900 can live quite comfortably an enclosed 1516 01:01:58,140 --> 01:01:56,060 environment maybe for tens of thousands 1517 01:02:00,280 --> 01:01:58,150 of years so and we actually 1518 01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:00,290 technologically are capable of doing 1519 01:02:05,890 --> 01:02:03,650 that right now a great expense but then 1520 01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:05,900 remember Carl Sagan also pointed out 1521 01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:07,370 that an asteroid brought into earth 1522 01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:09,170 orbit could be mined to hollow it out 1523 01:02:13,570 --> 01:02:11,210 and that would give us a gross national 1524 01:02:15,790 --> 01:02:13,580 product worldwide of nine trillion 1525 01:02:17,260 --> 01:02:15,800 dollars which is exactly the output of 1526 01:02:19,660 --> 01:02:17,270 the entire planets gross national 1527 01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:19,670 product on a yearly basis so one 1528 01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:21,050 asteroid alone could provide us with 1529 01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:23,210 enough mineral wealth to give us that 1530 01:02:27,430 --> 01:02:25,370 kind of an income so are we the first 1531 01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:27,440 have thought that up did someone in some 1532 01:02:31,870 --> 01:02:30,170 other system come up with that idea were 1533 01:02:34,030 --> 01:02:31,880 they running from some malevolent alien 1534 01:02:36,100 --> 01:02:34,040 race and wanted to hide in the deep 1535 01:02:38,620 --> 01:02:36,110 space once you're inside a sealed 1536 01:02:40,540 --> 01:02:38,630 environment drifting in the depths of 1537 01:02:42,700 --> 01:02:40,550 interstellar space with lots of other 1538 01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:42,710 dead worlds rogue planets you'd be 1539 01:02:47,650 --> 01:02:44,450 awfully hard to find it's a great way to 1540 01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:47,660 survive yeah but I mean the earth so 1541 01:02:51,940 --> 01:02:48,890 close wouldn't they want to just live 1542 01:02:53,170 --> 01:02:51,950 here well you know I compared it to 1543 01:02:54,430 --> 01:02:53,180 people who are out in the cold every now 1544 01:02:56,560 --> 01:02:54,440 then want to come in and get warm 1545 01:02:58,840 --> 01:02:56,570 they're warm defeat by the fire maybe 1546 01:03:01,210 --> 01:02:58,850 they drift from solar system the solar 1547 01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:01,220 system and basically tank up no 1548 01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:04,370 ecosystem that is intelligently made 1549 01:03:09,130 --> 01:03:06,770 last forever you do have to replace 1550 01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:09,140 things and there seems to be historical 1551 01:03:13,090 --> 01:03:11,090 evidence that there was mining by aliens 1552 01:03:15,610 --> 01:03:13,100 here on earth and we did it at their 1553 01:03:18,580 --> 01:03:15,620 direction we have the Vedic text India 1554 01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:18,590 to say this we have the Mahabharata and 1555 01:03:23,710 --> 01:03:20,690 the Ramayana that talk about it we have 1556 01:03:25,090 --> 01:03:23,720 the Annunaki of the Sumerian the who 1557 01:03:27,370 --> 01:03:25,100 predated the Babylonian 1558 01:03:29,170 --> 01:03:27,380 Peyer and they talked about the fact 1559 01:03:31,300 --> 01:03:29,180 that we're designed specifically to do 1560 01:03:33,670 --> 01:03:31,310 this task apparently the aliens were 1561 01:03:36,310 --> 01:03:33,680 will suit it to the earth environment 1562 01:03:37,930 --> 01:03:36,320 and something else to where the moon is 1563 01:03:39,910 --> 01:03:37,940 it makes it the high ground and any 1564 01:03:41,380 --> 01:03:39,920 military expert will tell you that you 1565 01:03:43,390 --> 01:03:41,390 always want to have control of the high 1566 01:03:47,620 --> 01:03:43,400 ground well if they're aliens of the 1567 01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:47,630 moon they do well it's an interesting 1568 01:03:56,380 --> 01:03:51,050 thought I know there's I think there's 1569 01:04:00,550 --> 01:03:56,390 the a Thea theory which is that you know 1570 01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:00,560 like a large planet hit us we sort of 1571 01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:04,010 conjoined and you know broke apart I 1572 01:04:09,490 --> 01:04:06,290 understand what you're saying about the 1573 01:04:10,770 --> 01:04:09,500 earth has just I know it just has a I 1574 01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:10,780 mean the moon has just a slight 1575 01:04:17,890 --> 01:04:15,050 elliptical orbit around us it's 1576 01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:17,900 something like a few percent or five 1577 01:04:27,900 --> 01:04:25,250 percent or so and Venus is a strange 1578 01:04:31,110 --> 01:04:27,910 world too it has a retrograde rotation 1579 01:04:33,910 --> 01:04:31,120 we don't know why I know there is a 1580 01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:33,920 theory among the theories there are four 1581 01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:36,170 or five theories of of the moon and one 1582 01:04:41,650 --> 01:04:38,450 of them is that the earth could have 1583 01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:41,660 been struck by several asteroids and 1584 01:04:48,430 --> 01:04:45,370 then have form a disc like Saturn and 1585 01:04:50,110 --> 01:04:48,440 that to explain basically how it could 1586 01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:50,120 have formed and have us more of a 1587 01:04:56,440 --> 01:04:53,930 circular a circular orbit but it's all 1588 01:04:57,790 --> 01:04:56,450 interesting well there's no there's no 1589 01:04:59,140 --> 01:04:57,800 real evidence for that when the impact 1590 01:05:00,880 --> 01:04:59,150 theory it's not bad 1591 01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:00,890 Thea was about the size of Mars 1592 01:05:04,450 --> 01:05:02,450 approximately struck the earth and 1593 01:05:06,850 --> 01:05:04,460 smashed into it and they both basically 1594 01:05:08,590 --> 01:05:06,860 broke apart to a large extent and that 1595 01:05:10,540 --> 01:05:08,600 formed a ring around the earth that 1596 01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:10,550 eventually turned into the moon but now 1597 01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:11,930 there's a problem with that theory to 1598 01:05:15,700 --> 01:05:13,970 the far side of the moon's crust is 1599 01:05:16,900 --> 01:05:15,710 thicker than the near side now the 1600 01:05:20,050 --> 01:05:16,910 spaceship theory says that's because 1601 01:05:22,030 --> 01:05:20,060 they're pumping out debris from the from 1602 01:05:24,250 --> 01:05:22,040 the hollow center on one side but not 1603 01:05:25,780 --> 01:05:24,260 the other the second thing is there had 1604 01:05:27,340 --> 01:05:25,790 to have been two moons and one had 1605 01:05:28,810 --> 01:05:27,350 crashed into the other one later to 1606 01:05:32,050 --> 01:05:28,820 account for the thicker far side of the 1607 01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:32,060 moon finally if Thea and the earth smash 1608 01:05:35,740 --> 01:05:34,130 together and basically broke up for a 1609 01:05:37,270 --> 01:05:35,750 little bit they say the moon formed in 1610 01:05:40,420 --> 01:05:37,280 less than a hundred years by the way 1611 01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:40,430 and if it did break up then the moon 1612 01:05:44,770 --> 01:05:42,290 should be composed of materials from 1613 01:05:46,660 --> 01:05:44,780 Thea and from the earth we have phone no 1614 01:05:48,850 --> 01:05:46,670 isotopic signatures of anything but 1615 01:05:50,950 --> 01:05:48,860 earth-like material on the moon nothing 1616 01:05:52,990 --> 01:05:50,960 that corresponds to an alien world and 1617 01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:53,000 every world has its own isotopic 1618 01:05:57,220 --> 01:05:54,770 signatures and so does every asteroid 1619 01:05:57,640 --> 01:05:57,230 practically we would quickly know we 1620 01:05:59,290 --> 01:05:57,650 know 1621 01:06:00,700 --> 01:05:59,300 meteors come from the moon because of 1622 01:06:02,290 --> 01:06:00,710 the isotopic signatures we know they 1623 01:06:04,540 --> 01:06:02,300 come from Mars for the same reason 1624 01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:04,550 but the moon has no material from Thea 1625 01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:07,610 that we've ever found yet but we 1626 01:06:12,460 --> 01:06:10,490 wouldn't know what Thea material was 1627 01:06:14,530 --> 01:06:12,470 would we well we would know it wasn't 1628 01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:14,540 Earth's isotopic signature it'd have to 1629 01:06:18,730 --> 01:06:16,850 be something else but we haven't found 1630 01:06:21,250 --> 01:06:18,740 anything else all we've found is the 1631 01:06:24,150 --> 01:06:21,260 same isotopic signature as the mantle of 1632 01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:24,160 our own earth and what about moon rocks 1633 01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:26,810 are you saying that's what we are who 1634 01:06:29,740 --> 01:06:28,010 divided that and that's what we're 1635 01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:29,750 basing it on those pounds and pounds of 1636 01:06:34,270 --> 01:06:31,130 moon rocks they brought back from every 1637 01:06:36,190 --> 01:06:34,280 trip to them on and also meteorites from 1638 01:06:37,810 --> 01:06:36,200 the moon none of them so show an 1639 01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:37,820 isotopic signature different from that 1640 01:06:41,830 --> 01:06:40,370 of Earth so along for a long time we 1641 01:06:43,300 --> 01:06:41,840 thought the earth must have formed out 1642 01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:43,310 of the same material at the same time 1643 01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:46,010 but that apparently can't work either 1644 01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:47,690 there are five major theories of the 1645 01:06:51,490 --> 01:06:48,890 origin of the moon they all have major 1646 01:06:52,780 --> 01:06:51,500 problems even after the Thea theory came 1647 01:06:55,300 --> 01:06:52,790 out and a lot of scientists are gripping 1648 01:06:57,430 --> 01:06:55,310 on to that with both hands 1649 01:06:59,800 --> 01:06:57,440 two other scientists came out with a geo 1650 01:07:02,200 --> 01:06:59,810 reactor theory they thought that maybe 1651 01:07:03,550 --> 01:07:02,210 there's a natural large amount of 1652 01:07:05,860 --> 01:07:03,560 radioactive material right at the 1653 01:07:08,500 --> 01:07:05,870 equator and that this exploded and 1654 01:07:10,060 --> 01:07:08,510 launched the moon basically well this 1655 01:07:12,070 --> 01:07:10,070 one has a lot of problems too in fact 1656 01:07:14,380 --> 01:07:12,080 the problems are so bad with most of 1657 01:07:16,630 --> 01:07:14,390 these that none of them really answer 1658 01:07:19,030 --> 01:07:16,640 the question or answer it well there is 1659 01:07:22,120 --> 01:07:19,040 one theory that does spaceship moon 1660 01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:22,130 theory it answers every single question 1661 01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:24,650 and problem from deep craters to shallow 1662 01:07:31,570 --> 01:07:28,490 craters to neptunium 237 on the moon to 1663 01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:31,580 helium-3 dancers all of it and you know 1664 01:07:34,510 --> 01:07:33,290 Occam's razor says if you have more than 1665 01:07:36,490 --> 01:07:34,520 one answer you go with the one that's 1666 01:07:37,810 --> 01:07:36,500 simplest well the one that's simplest in 1667 01:07:41,650 --> 01:07:37,820 this case is the one that answers all 1668 01:07:43,290 --> 01:07:41,660 the questions well I thought correct me 1669 01:07:45,610 --> 01:07:43,300 if I'm wrong but I thought when they 1670 01:07:48,190 --> 01:07:45,620 searched down in a crater they found 1671 01:07:50,930 --> 01:07:48,200 molten rock in the bottom of one of the 1672 01:07:54,589 --> 01:07:50,940 craters is that not is that not right 1673 01:07:57,770 --> 01:07:54,599 I'm not saying you're wrong but not 1674 01:07:59,390 --> 01:07:57,780 molten rock ever ok moon the moon 1675 01:08:00,829 --> 01:07:59,400 doesn't have volcanoes it just have 1676 01:08:02,540 --> 01:08:00,839 quakes but they think that's from the 1677 01:08:04,430 --> 01:08:02,550 tidal pull of the earth and here's 1678 01:08:05,809 --> 01:08:04,440 another oddity scientists have 1679 01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:05,819 calculated that the moon quakes are 1680 01:08:08,780 --> 01:08:07,530 happening in the wrong spots they should 1681 01:08:10,250 --> 01:08:08,790 be happening to certain locations of the 1682 01:08:12,260 --> 01:08:10,260 moon if it is the tidal pull of the 1683 01:08:14,510 --> 01:08:12,270 earth but they seem to be happening 1684 01:08:16,550 --> 01:08:14,520 otherwise and we don't know why that is 1685 01:08:19,340 --> 01:08:16,560 either again the moon is a really 1686 01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:19,350 mysterious world oh and by the way there 1687 01:08:24,170 --> 01:08:21,210 is one other moon that could well be 1688 01:08:25,670 --> 01:08:24,180 Hollow - and it circles the planet that 1689 01:08:27,979 --> 01:08:25,680 may have had life on it once - and 1690 01:08:30,380 --> 01:08:27,989 that's Mars and the moon is Phobos has a 1691 01:08:32,930 --> 01:08:30,390 very strange orbit its density is too 1692 01:08:37,070 --> 01:08:32,940 low and scientists can't figure out why 1693 01:08:39,470 --> 01:08:37,080 and by the way - Soviet probes going to 1694 01:08:42,349 --> 01:08:39,480 Mars caught a picture of the cylinder 1695 01:08:44,209 --> 01:08:42,359 near Phobos and then was promptly 1696 01:08:46,309 --> 01:08:44,219 destroyed and so was the second one that 1697 01:08:47,539 --> 01:08:46,319 was right behind it following it and to 1698 01:08:50,030 --> 01:08:47,549 this day we don't know what happened to 1699 01:08:51,950 --> 01:08:50,040 those two probes but they vanished 1700 01:08:54,499 --> 01:08:51,960 literally right after they took a photo 1701 01:08:56,900 --> 01:08:54,509 of something that was cylinder-shaped it 1702 01:09:02,300 --> 01:08:56,910 was sort of white right near the moon 1703 01:09:05,059 --> 01:09:02,310 Phobos interesting well I was just 1704 01:09:07,519 --> 01:09:05,069 reading while you're talking here it 1705 01:09:09,289 --> 01:09:07,529 says the giant impact basins formed on 1706 01:09:11,870 --> 01:09:09,299 the infant moon surface which caused 1707 01:09:17,209 --> 01:09:11,880 molten rock to well up and create giant 1708 01:09:20,180 --> 01:09:17,219 pools of cooled lava right that would 1709 01:09:22,610 --> 01:09:20,190 make your large craters shallow but why 1710 01:09:23,900 --> 01:09:22,620 are the small craters so deep and the 1711 01:09:25,490 --> 01:09:23,910 spaceship moon theory says because 1712 01:09:27,410 --> 01:09:25,500 there's an inner shell maybe made of 1713 01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:27,420 titanium that's why would find titanium 1714 01:09:31,189 --> 01:09:29,250 on the moon and that what's happening is 1715 01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:31,199 with the small craters the impact hits 1716 01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:33,330 the moon and burrows into it like it 1717 01:09:37,849 --> 01:09:35,489 normally should on earth but about 25 1718 01:09:40,070 --> 01:09:37,859 miles down there is the shell so that 1719 01:09:41,990 --> 01:09:40,080 when large asteroid strike the moon they 1720 01:09:44,990 --> 01:09:42,000 rebound off that inner shell and that 1721 01:09:49,010 --> 01:09:45,000 creates the flattened shallow areas of 1722 01:09:53,300 --> 01:09:49,020 the larger craters okay well if you were 1723 01:09:57,380 --> 01:09:53,310 arguing with yourself what would I do 1724 01:10:01,040 --> 01:09:57,390 that as long as you don't lose what 1725 01:10:03,890 --> 01:10:01,050 would you think is like where this thing 1726 01:10:04,870 --> 01:10:03,900 falls apart you I think I heard you say 1727 01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:04,880 really 1728 01:10:10,420 --> 01:10:08,330 that holds pretty well there must be 1729 01:10:13,630 --> 01:10:10,430 some weak spots in this I mean first of 1730 01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:13,640 all it it sounds a logical on the 1731 01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:16,010 surface like you said when you first 1732 01:10:20,110 --> 01:10:17,930 heard it when George Noory asked you I 1733 01:10:23,410 --> 01:10:20,120 mean you know right away it sounds like 1734 01:10:25,930 --> 01:10:23,420 wow this is really wacky or bizarre so 1735 01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:25,940 I'm not sure it sounds illogical it just 1736 01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:29,090 sounds extreme doesn't it it does yes 1737 01:10:36,010 --> 01:10:33,290 but and it is an extreme idea but it's 1738 01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:36,020 not really when you think about it that 1739 01:10:40,900 --> 01:10:37,610 much more extreme than saying a planet 1740 01:10:44,200 --> 01:10:40,910 smashed into the earth you know or 1741 01:10:45,550 --> 01:10:44,210 saying that the moon was captured as it 1742 01:10:47,740 --> 01:10:45,560 wandered through the solar system by a 1743 01:10:49,390 --> 01:10:47,750 little tiny planet I mean we had the 1744 01:10:50,260 --> 01:10:49,400 largest moon of any terrestrial planet 1745 01:10:52,030 --> 01:10:50,270 in the solar system 1746 01:10:53,770 --> 01:10:52,040 it's not the largest moon in the solar 1747 01:10:57,790 --> 01:10:53,780 system but it's one of the largest and 1748 01:10:59,170 --> 01:10:57,800 this is very strange in itself the orbit 1749 01:11:01,270 --> 01:10:59,180 of the moon is strange it's distance 1750 01:11:03,370 --> 01:11:01,280 from the earth is strange I mean it's 1751 01:11:05,890 --> 01:11:03,380 density is strange it's layout of 1752 01:11:07,810 --> 01:11:05,900 craters of Marya is strange it's reverse 1753 01:11:10,480 --> 01:11:07,820 some density of layers on the surface is 1754 01:11:12,700 --> 01:11:10,490 strange it's weird phenomena of these 1755 01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:12,710 blinks flashes tracks and glows and 1756 01:11:18,550 --> 01:11:14,930 mists and fogs and clouds and lightning 1757 01:11:20,470 --> 01:11:18,560 and volcanoes is strange so how do you 1758 01:11:21,820 --> 01:11:20,480 explain it all and none of these 1759 01:11:23,860 --> 01:11:21,830 theories that exist in mainstream 1760 01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:23,870 science are willing to do it and to 1761 01:11:29,260 --> 01:11:26,210 remember the spaceship Moon Theory was 1762 01:11:31,420 --> 01:11:29,270 promulgated by two mainstream scientists 1763 01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:31,430 in the field this is not something that 1764 01:11:36,330 --> 01:11:33,650 fringe elements made up like maybe the 1765 01:11:39,550 --> 01:11:36,340 Flat Earth theory or something like that 1766 01:11:42,220 --> 01:11:39,560 yeah that I'll never buy into that one 1767 01:11:44,590 --> 01:11:42,230 that's for sure Mary Mary grace wants to 1768 01:11:47,620 --> 01:11:44,600 know is there a higher concentration of 1769 01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:47,630 anomalies anomalous sightings over major 1770 01:11:52,690 --> 01:11:49,690 craters on the moon 1771 01:11:55,390 --> 01:11:52,700 absolutely again I refer to Aristarchus 1772 01:11:57,340 --> 01:11:55,400 and Plato and this other said to a 1773 01:12:00,160 --> 01:11:57,350 lesser degree but there seem to be 1774 01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:00,170 strange sightings all over the moon you 1775 01:12:04,630 --> 01:12:02,810 have to remember that one photo of them 1776 01:12:06,820 --> 01:12:04,640 when very early on in our exploration 1777 01:12:09,340 --> 01:12:06,830 showed a pyramid on the moon we haven't 1778 01:12:12,670 --> 01:12:09,350 seen it since other photos shows strange 1779 01:12:15,700 --> 01:12:12,680 things like what they called a needle a 1780 01:12:18,310 --> 01:12:15,710 crystal dome there's even what they call 1781 01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:18,320 the LA basin an area that is grid 1782 01:12:21,729 --> 01:12:19,610 it's actually a grid pattern on the 1783 01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:21,739 surface of the moon and scientists say 1784 01:12:25,780 --> 01:12:23,690 oh that's just channeling from when 1785 01:12:27,819 --> 01:12:25,790 water or maybe lava flowed in the early 1786 01:12:29,950 --> 01:12:27,829 days of the Moon should be long gone 1787 01:12:31,359 --> 01:12:29,960 that's with number of craters on the one 1788 01:12:32,649 --> 01:12:31,369 that should been wiped out ages ago so 1789 01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:32,659 it didn't happen early on in the moon's 1790 01:12:38,169 --> 01:12:35,210 history had to happen later exactly it 1791 01:12:40,120 --> 01:12:38,179 does right angles when things flow they 1792 01:12:41,589 --> 01:12:40,130 don't tend to do right angles just look 1793 01:12:44,649 --> 01:12:41,599 at a Delta River pattern it's the 1794 01:12:48,310 --> 01:12:44,659 Mississippi or the Nile for instance and 1795 01:12:50,550 --> 01:12:48,320 you won't see right angles there Wow you 1796 01:12:54,339 --> 01:12:50,560 know I think while I'm on this topic 1797 01:12:58,300 --> 01:12:54,349 just that it's I don't have the 1798 01:13:00,399 --> 01:12:58,310 scientific mind to really I don't want 1799 01:13:03,250 --> 01:13:00,409 to say debate or challenge some of what 1800 01:13:05,470 --> 01:13:03,260 you're saying because obviously you're 1801 01:13:06,819 --> 01:13:05,480 very well you have this very well 1802 01:13:10,479 --> 01:13:06,829 thought out it's not just something 1803 01:13:12,490 --> 01:13:10,489 you're just casting at us so I would 1804 01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:12,500 like to open the lines if anyone wants 1805 01:13:17,140 --> 01:13:14,570 to call in if they'd like to ask a 1806 01:13:19,780 --> 01:13:17,150 question about this and we have bill 1807 01:13:24,100 --> 01:13:19,790 he's screening the calls and that number 1808 01:13:26,890 --> 01:13:24,110 is eight five five four seven two five 1809 01:13:28,390 --> 01:13:26,900 four eight three and go ahead and give 1810 01:13:30,669 --> 01:13:28,400 us a call if you'd like if you'd like to 1811 01:13:32,140 --> 01:13:30,679 talk to our guests about this theory 1812 01:13:35,819 --> 01:13:32,150 before we move into something else 1813 01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:35,829 because I think I've about run out of 1814 01:13:40,149 --> 01:13:38,570 questions I know I remember reading 1815 01:13:44,649 --> 01:13:40,159 something a long time ago that the 1816 01:13:47,410 --> 01:13:44,659 helium-3 is actually something that 1817 01:13:51,040 --> 01:13:47,420 would be very valuable and very useful 1818 01:13:52,899 --> 01:13:51,050 for energy oh absolutely especially for 1819 01:13:54,459 --> 01:13:52,909 a fusion reactor it'd be a primary 1820 01:13:56,260 --> 01:13:54,469 source we have very little of it on 1821 01:13:58,600 --> 01:13:56,270 earth but the moon's loaded with the 1822 01:14:02,350 --> 01:13:58,610 stuff and the interesting thing about 1823 01:14:04,330 --> 01:14:02,360 that is one amateur astronomer did a 1824 01:14:06,550 --> 01:14:04,340 spectral analysis of the blue glow in 1825 01:14:08,649 --> 01:14:06,560 the Aristarchus crater and he overlaid 1826 01:14:11,319 --> 01:14:08,659 it with the blue glow of a fusion 1827 01:14:13,209 --> 01:14:11,329 reactor and he found that spectrally 1828 01:14:16,030 --> 01:14:13,219 they were the exact exactly the same 1829 01:14:18,819 --> 01:14:16,040 that the blue glow on in the aristocracy 1830 01:14:21,580 --> 01:14:18,829 at least at one time had the same exact 1831 01:14:25,810 --> 01:14:21,590 signature spectral analysis as a fusion 1832 01:14:28,589 --> 01:14:25,820 reactor this is that something so the it 1833 01:14:31,689 --> 01:14:28,599 could be basically a stepping stone to 1834 01:14:34,450 --> 01:14:31,699 four say four 1835 01:14:36,790 --> 01:14:34,460 if we were going to do some space travel 1836 01:14:38,830 --> 01:14:36,800 to stop basically at the moon and fuel 1837 01:14:42,010 --> 01:14:38,840 up right I mean it could possibly be 1838 01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:42,020 some day or even we could build our deep 1839 01:14:45,669 --> 01:14:44,090 space ships I mean if we could have 1840 01:14:48,040 --> 01:14:45,679 nuclear-powered ships we could get to 1841 01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:48,050 Mars in three weeks if you have 1842 01:14:51,430 --> 01:14:49,610 something along the lines of the Orion 1843 01:14:52,959 --> 01:14:51,440 the original Orien that was some which 1844 01:14:55,720 --> 01:14:52,969 we were capable building back in the 1845 01:14:57,430 --> 01:14:55,730 late 1950s and we certainly are now the 1846 01:14:59,890 --> 01:14:57,440 problem is it requires small atomic 1847 01:15:03,520 --> 01:14:59,900 pellets literally miniature nuclear 1848 01:15:05,020 --> 01:15:03,530 bombs to propel it and of course with 1849 01:15:06,160 --> 01:15:05,030 the nuclear test-ban treaty we couldn't 1850 01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:06,170 go launching rockets from Earth that 1851 01:15:10,930 --> 01:15:08,330 we're radiating the atmosphere as they 1852 01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:10,940 launched so but you could build them on 1853 01:15:14,229 --> 01:15:12,050 the moon and launch them from the moon 1854 01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:14,239 and you're not causing any harm the moon 1855 01:15:18,790 --> 01:15:17,210 is sterile one is dead and it's loaded 1856 01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:18,800 with radiation from the Sun and cosmic 1857 01:15:22,540 --> 01:15:20,570 rays with nothing to protect anyone on 1858 01:15:24,660 --> 01:15:22,550 the moon right 1859 01:15:27,669 --> 01:15:24,670 I know timing is everything when they're 1860 01:15:29,379 --> 01:15:27,679 when they're on the moon and we were 1861 01:15:32,260 --> 01:15:29,389 just lucky all the times that we landed 1862 01:15:34,510 --> 01:15:32,270 there basically absolutely and also with 1863 01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:34,520 our space station as well I mean when 1864 01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:35,570 you really think about it 1865 01:15:39,010 --> 01:15:37,130 and we're playing Russian roulette now 1866 01:15:40,810 --> 01:15:39,020 there's evidence to suppose we really 1867 01:15:43,180 --> 01:15:40,820 can't send people to Mars not with our 1868 01:15:44,950 --> 01:15:43,190 present technology because they would 1869 01:15:47,770 --> 01:15:44,960 certainly be too irradiated by the time 1870 01:15:49,090 --> 01:15:47,780 they got there oh really I don't know 1871 01:15:51,430 --> 01:15:49,100 how they're gonna protect against that 1872 01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:51,440 they can use water you know the east 1873 01:15:55,870 --> 01:15:53,690 want to use shielding like lead but that 1874 01:15:57,729 --> 01:15:55,880 stuff any kind of metal can eventually 1875 01:15:59,950 --> 01:15:57,739 become radioactive in its own right if 1876 01:16:04,510 --> 01:15:59,960 it's bombarded with enough radiation it 1877 01:16:06,310 --> 01:16:04,520 dislodges enough subatomic particles 1878 01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:06,320 where it becomes radioactive but water 1879 01:16:11,379 --> 01:16:08,090 is the perfect defense you can shield 1880 01:16:13,660 --> 01:16:11,389 anybody with a few feet of water I had I 1881 01:16:16,149 --> 01:16:13,670 had no idea how about that 1882 01:16:20,590 --> 01:16:16,159 so anyway our lines are open someone 1883 01:16:22,390 --> 01:16:20,600 like to give a call and and ask our 1884 01:16:27,070 --> 01:16:22,400 guest a question I'm just doing a little 1885 01:16:28,479 --> 01:16:27,080 bit of adjusting here and so I guess I'm 1886 01:16:29,859 --> 01:16:28,489 gonna stay on the subject just a little 1887 01:16:32,020 --> 01:16:29,869 longer for no one else calls and we'll 1888 01:16:35,709 --> 01:16:32,030 move on I mean if no one calls in then 1889 01:16:39,930 --> 01:16:35,719 we'll just move on but what type of 1890 01:16:42,430 --> 01:16:39,940 pushback are you getting from from this 1891 01:16:44,169 --> 01:16:42,440 scientists ignore anything to do with 1892 01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:44,179 you of those with this kind of idea they 1893 01:16:47,830 --> 01:16:45,530 stick 1894 01:16:49,210 --> 01:16:47,840 to the mainstream they do this for a 1895 01:16:52,090 --> 01:16:49,220 number of reasons one of the major 1896 01:16:53,590 --> 01:16:52,100 reasons reasons is that they get their 1897 01:16:55,240 --> 01:16:53,600 grants that almost all grants at 1898 01:16:57,160 --> 01:16:55,250 universities come from the US government 1899 01:16:58,870 --> 01:16:57,170 if the US government doesn't want to 1900 01:17:01,500 --> 01:16:58,880 give you a grant for something you don't 1901 01:17:04,660 --> 01:17:01,510 get to research it that's a big no 1902 01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:04,670 secondly the ridicule in such is so 1903 01:17:09,220 --> 01:17:07,850 great that if any scientist technically 1904 01:17:10,990 --> 01:17:09,230 really wanted to get involved in the 1905 01:17:12,790 --> 01:17:11,000 research it's like hitting the third 1906 01:17:14,650 --> 01:17:12,800 rail he would not long stay in his 1907 01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:14,660 profession and he would be laughed off 1908 01:17:21,970 --> 01:17:16,850 the planet this has happened to us 1909 01:17:23,910 --> 01:17:21,980 before Alfred Wegener in the 1920s came 1910 01:17:27,250 --> 01:17:23,920 up with the idea of continental drift 1911 01:17:29,710 --> 01:17:27,260 his career was ruined he died basically 1912 01:17:31,420 --> 01:17:29,720 an unknown and laughed at and I mean his 1913 01:17:32,950 --> 01:17:31,430 career was over because he dared say 1914 01:17:34,810 --> 01:17:32,960 that continents might be drifting around 1915 01:17:37,810 --> 01:17:34,820 the surface of the earth now we take it 1916 01:17:39,940 --> 01:17:37,820 as a fact they do they do drift but 1917 01:17:42,100 --> 01:17:39,950 science is very slow to change and there 1918 01:17:45,700 --> 01:17:42,110 was a lot of resistance to anything new 1919 01:17:48,210 --> 01:17:45,710 or different yeah absolutely yeah I know 1920 01:17:50,830 --> 01:17:48,220 there's also the guy that figured out 1921 01:17:54,910 --> 01:17:50,840 what was it Adams he figured out Adams 1922 01:17:57,460 --> 01:17:54,920 long before and ended up you know dying 1923 01:18:01,780 --> 01:17:57,470 before it was actually confirmed why 1924 01:18:03,610 --> 01:18:01,790 Einstein right and I believe was the 1925 01:18:08,830 --> 01:18:03,620 Greeks came up with the term Adam but 1926 01:18:10,720 --> 01:18:08,840 the ancient Greeks but again with the he 1927 01:18:12,550 --> 01:18:10,730 wasn't the first now any of us can look 1928 01:18:14,890 --> 01:18:12,560 at a globe and clearly see the 1929 01:18:16,660 --> 01:18:14,900 continents are like a jigsaw puzzle we 1930 01:18:18,310 --> 01:18:16,670 could push South America to Africa we 1931 01:18:20,410 --> 01:18:18,320 could push North America over into 1932 01:18:23,110 --> 01:18:20,420 Europe and they fit very nicely yet none 1933 01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:23,120 of the scientists in the 1920s could see 1934 01:18:29,140 --> 01:18:26,330 that now we take it for granted I have a 1935 01:18:31,510 --> 01:18:29,150 question about that that's always it's 1936 01:18:33,700 --> 01:18:31,520 always bothered me because I look at 1937 01:18:35,320 --> 01:18:33,710 these continents and I could see that 1938 01:18:37,210 --> 01:18:35,330 they would fit together and could have 1939 01:18:40,900 --> 01:18:37,220 separated and all that but what about 1940 01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:40,910 the ocean bed I mean isn't that all part 1941 01:18:46,300 --> 01:18:43,690 of it well yes it is you have the 1942 01:18:48,970 --> 01:18:46,310 Marianas Trench which is subsiding its 1943 01:18:51,220 --> 01:18:48,980 sucking mantle material down into the 1944 01:18:53,320 --> 01:18:51,230 earth and melting it and over in the 1945 01:18:56,740 --> 01:18:53,330 Atlantic you have the mid-atlantic ridge 1946 01:18:58,480 --> 01:18:56,750 which is actually pumping out material 1947 01:18:59,209 --> 01:18:58,490 in creating Iceland and all these places 1948 01:19:02,509 --> 01:18:59,219 is highly 1949 01:19:05,450 --> 01:19:02,519 active extremely active but oceans come 1950 01:19:08,390 --> 01:19:05,460 and go before the the continent Pangaea 1951 01:19:09,680 --> 01:19:08,400 split up there were several inland seas 1952 01:19:12,229 --> 01:19:09,690 but it wasn't till it started ripping 1953 01:19:13,910 --> 01:19:12,239 apart that oceans water poured in and 1954 01:19:15,290 --> 01:19:13,920 then created the oceans but as the 1955 01:19:16,790 --> 01:19:15,300 continents drift they just push the 1956 01:19:18,919 --> 01:19:16,800 water out of the way till they merge or 1957 01:19:21,709 --> 01:19:18,929 tear apart Africa right now has the 1958 01:19:23,870 --> 01:19:21,719 Great Rift Valley that is along a fault 1959 01:19:26,259 --> 01:19:23,880 line and it eventually will become an 1960 01:19:29,660 --> 01:19:26,269 inland sea in the not-too-distant future 1961 01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:29,670 geologically speaking yeah I mean 1962 01:19:36,799 --> 01:19:33,570 there's you know you think of the story 1963 01:19:39,319 --> 01:19:36,809 of Atlantis and you think of that they 1964 01:19:41,029 --> 01:19:39,329 can be off the coast quite far off the 1965 01:19:42,649 --> 01:19:41,039 coast and be scuba diving all of a 1966 01:19:44,600 --> 01:19:42,659 sudden you come across what looks like 1967 01:19:46,969 --> 01:19:44,610 part of an ancient city or something 1968 01:19:49,009 --> 01:19:46,979 like that that is all part of it I would 1969 01:19:54,140 --> 01:19:49,019 think that the moving and the shifting 1970 01:19:56,959 --> 01:19:54,150 of the continents and well we and cities 1971 01:19:59,870 --> 01:19:56,969 back in those days I don't mean like 1972 01:20:01,489 --> 01:19:59,880 cities I mean some type of stone 1973 01:20:05,810 --> 01:20:01,499 structures they find them under the 1974 01:20:07,549 --> 01:20:05,820 ocean oh yes sometimes we think that's 1975 01:20:09,500 --> 01:20:07,559 probably well some of its due to 1976 01:20:11,149 --> 01:20:09,510 earthquake activity the Mediterranean 1977 01:20:12,379 --> 01:20:11,159 the land around the Mediterranean 1978 01:20:14,689 --> 01:20:12,389 especially in southern Europe is 1979 01:20:16,069 --> 01:20:14,699 subsiding and there we have found cities 1980 01:20:18,620 --> 01:20:16,079 underwater there we've also saw this 1981 01:20:22,790 --> 01:20:18,630 found a city under water off the coast 1982 01:20:24,680 --> 01:20:22,800 of Pakistan and India and that was 1983 01:20:27,620 --> 01:20:24,690 probably due to the melting of the 1984 01:20:29,390 --> 01:20:27,630 glaciers in fact in my book ancient 1985 01:20:31,910 --> 01:20:29,400 alien empire mega Lithia I discussed 1986 01:20:34,399 --> 01:20:31,920 that in detail because I think there was 1987 01:20:37,069 --> 01:20:34,409 at one point in time an alien Overlord 1988 01:20:38,629 --> 01:20:37,079 civilization on earth human population 1989 01:20:40,370 --> 01:20:38,639 was small it was under the control was 1990 01:20:42,259 --> 01:20:40,380 an isolated communities along the coast 1991 01:20:43,910 --> 01:20:42,269 and when you remove that over layer of 1992 01:20:45,529 --> 01:20:43,920 technology that they kept under strict 1993 01:20:48,739 --> 01:20:45,539 control according to the Vedic texts of 1994 01:20:51,319 --> 01:20:48,749 India and the Sumerian cuneiform 1995 01:20:53,029 --> 01:20:51,329 writings that left a bunch of isolated 1996 01:20:55,250 --> 01:20:53,039 communities slowly being drowned as the 1997 01:20:56,509 --> 01:20:55,260 oceans rose and with no contact with 1998 01:20:58,790 --> 01:20:56,519 each other and I'm saying small 1999 01:21:00,560 --> 01:20:58,800 communities you know Athens at its peak 2000 01:21:02,959 --> 01:21:00,570 in the age of Pericles was only a little 2001 01:21:06,890 --> 01:21:02,969 over 50,000 people they as to make which 2002 01:21:10,240 --> 01:21:06,900 is a small town today Wow 2003 01:21:12,910 --> 01:21:10,250 you just said a mouthful there 2004 01:21:16,630 --> 01:21:12,920 you know i-i've thought about you know 2005 01:21:20,290 --> 01:21:16,640 like if if it was possible that you know 2006 01:21:22,060 --> 01:21:20,300 aliens we're here you know tens of 2007 01:21:23,680 --> 01:21:22,070 thousands or maybe even hundreds of 2008 01:21:26,110 --> 01:21:23,690 thousands years ago how would they 2009 01:21:27,540 --> 01:21:26,120 suppress the technology and I think I 2010 01:21:29,830 --> 01:21:27,550 just heard you say something about 2011 01:21:32,230 --> 01:21:29,840 guarded technology is that what you just 2012 01:21:34,090 --> 01:21:32,240 said well we didn't have it according to 2013 01:21:36,430 --> 01:21:34,100 every archaeologists on the planet we 2014 01:21:38,140 --> 01:21:36,440 were a Neolithic or paleolithic culture 2015 01:21:39,790 --> 01:21:38,150 and we're basically Stone Age hunter 2016 01:21:42,040 --> 01:21:39,800 gatherers with a little bit of 2017 01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:42,050 agriculture and we were in small numbers 2018 01:21:46,150 --> 01:21:43,610 the entire population of the earth back 2019 01:21:47,440 --> 01:21:46,160 then was maybe ten million total so if 2020 01:21:49,030 --> 01:21:47,450 you spread that out over all the 2021 01:21:50,740 --> 01:21:49,040 continents around the coastlines of all 2022 01:21:53,530 --> 01:21:50,750 the continents those are just small 2023 01:21:55,870 --> 01:21:53,540 pockets of people in fact about 70,000 2024 01:21:56,650 --> 01:21:55,880 years ago they estimate that the human 2025 01:21:59,500 --> 01:21:56,660 race dropped 2026 01:22:01,510 --> 01:21:59,510 to maybe 5,000 individuals we almost 2027 01:22:03,430 --> 01:22:01,520 became extinct and we know this because 2028 01:22:05,950 --> 01:22:03,440 there's a genetic bottleneck in our 2029 01:22:08,220 --> 01:22:05,960 heritage we all stem from that one 2030 01:22:11,530 --> 01:22:08,230 little bottleneck of those who survived 2031 01:22:14,470 --> 01:22:11,540 wow that's like was that ice ice age 2032 01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:14,480 relate well it's about 70,000 years ago 2033 01:22:20,610 --> 01:22:16,010 and we think it was the result of the 2034 01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:20,620 supervolcano well like a mass extinction 2035 01:22:26,440 --> 01:22:23,930 mm-hmm yep I know we're getting way off 2036 01:22:28,210 --> 01:22:26,450 the UFO topic but it's a it's 2037 01:22:30,310 --> 01:22:28,220 interesting to speak to someone that's 2038 01:22:33,370 --> 01:22:30,320 obviously done a lot of research into a 2039 01:22:38,440 --> 01:22:33,380 lot of different fields yeah I'm a jack 2040 01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:38,450 of all trades and a master of all the of 2041 01:22:49,210 --> 01:22:46,360 what do you think if you had to picture 2042 01:22:51,970 --> 01:22:49,220 the human race do you think it evolved 2043 01:22:53,410 --> 01:22:51,980 on its own like science says or are you 2044 01:22:56,080 --> 01:22:53,420 thinking that something else happened 2045 01:22:57,820 --> 01:22:56,090 along the way I think I think our 2046 01:22:59,470 --> 01:22:57,830 ancestors evolved right here on earth 2047 01:23:01,690 --> 01:22:59,480 but someone's been interfering with it 2048 01:23:04,030 --> 01:23:01,700 again Sitchin in his book about the 2049 01:23:05,890 --> 01:23:04,040 Sumerians refers to the fact that in the 2050 01:23:07,690 --> 01:23:05,900 cuneiform writings they talked about the 2051 01:23:10,930 --> 01:23:07,700 gods the overlords whatever you want to 2052 01:23:12,610 --> 01:23:10,940 call them creating us to do their dirty 2053 01:23:13,960 --> 01:23:12,620 work basically they're mining and we 2054 01:23:15,940 --> 01:23:13,970 were supposed to be the beasts of burden 2055 01:23:19,330 --> 01:23:15,950 basically for them and that they 2056 01:23:21,790 --> 01:23:19,340 tinkered with us William Bramley gods of 2057 01:23:23,670 --> 01:23:21,800 Eden Fame he also writes that they try 2058 01:23:25,870 --> 01:23:23,680 to control us through the use of 2059 01:23:27,820 --> 01:23:25,880 viruses in place and refers to the 2060 01:23:30,189 --> 01:23:27,830 Justinian plague the Black Death and 2061 01:23:32,680 --> 01:23:30,199 several others and he's quite intriguing 2062 01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:32,690 I mean his work is heavy to read to 2063 01:23:37,840 --> 01:23:35,810 follow it's definitely in-depth and 2064 01:23:40,330 --> 01:23:37,850 highly researched and it's long and 2065 01:23:41,979 --> 01:23:40,340 again it's rather heavy but if you can 2066 01:23:43,240 --> 01:23:41,989 wade through it you learn a heck of a 2067 01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:43,250 lot that you might not know otherwise 2068 01:23:48,330 --> 01:23:46,850 about our history of diseases and quite 2069 01:23:51,459 --> 01:23:48,340 a bit of other things as well and 2070 01:23:53,860 --> 01:23:51,469 there's another thing going on here we 2071 01:23:56,439 --> 01:23:53,870 are afraid of knowledge all through 2072 01:23:59,770 --> 01:23:56,449 history knowledge has been evil the 2073 01:24:01,270 --> 01:23:59,780 Bible says that Adam and Eve ate of the 2074 01:24:03,160 --> 01:24:01,280 tree of knowledge there were two trees 2075 01:24:04,570 --> 01:24:03,170 in the garden couldn't even eaten 2076 01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:04,580 according to the Bible one was the tree 2077 01:24:08,140 --> 01:24:06,410 of life when the tree of knowledge it 2078 01:24:10,510 --> 01:24:08,150 was the tree of knowledge that was the 2079 01:24:12,010 --> 01:24:10,520 forbidden fruit and by the way the 2080 01:24:14,439 --> 01:24:12,020 Greeks picked up on this with their gods 2081 01:24:15,970 --> 01:24:14,449 Prometheus he dared to give human beings 2082 01:24:18,430 --> 01:24:15,980 fired and for that he's eternally 2083 01:24:21,220 --> 01:24:18,440 punished having his entrails pecked out 2084 01:24:23,950 --> 01:24:21,230 by giant vultures or Eagles on a rock in 2085 01:24:26,160 --> 01:24:23,960 an ocean somewhere for all eternity the 2086 01:24:29,439 --> 01:24:26,170 punishment for helping us humans was 2087 01:24:32,110 --> 01:24:29,449 extreme and by the way we even did it 2088 01:24:34,979 --> 01:24:32,120 more recently in history in the America 2089 01:24:38,590 --> 01:24:34,989 back at the time of the civil war it was 2090 01:24:41,890 --> 01:24:38,600 illegal it was a capital offense to 2091 01:24:43,870 --> 01:24:41,900 teach a slave to read or write because 2092 01:24:46,120 --> 01:24:43,880 once they had knowledge he could use 2093 01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:46,130 that to rebel against them and both the 2094 01:24:51,490 --> 01:24:47,930 Vedic text and the Sumerian cuneiform 2095 01:24:54,070 --> 01:24:51,500 writings talk about a rebellion and the 2096 01:24:56,110 --> 01:24:54,080 Vedic texts talk about favorite humans 2097 01:24:58,090 --> 01:24:56,120 flying the vimana these so-called flying 2098 01:25:02,680 --> 01:24:58,100 machines some of the biggest cities some 2099 01:25:05,140 --> 01:25:02,690 quite small that the gods had and the 2100 01:25:07,270 --> 01:25:05,150 Vedic texts even describe how the things 2101 01:25:09,430 --> 01:25:07,280 operated and how to avoid mid-air 2102 01:25:12,910 --> 01:25:09,440 collisions now follow this this is just 2103 01:25:16,240 --> 01:25:12,920 legend and myth why would you go into 2104 01:25:18,370 --> 01:25:16,250 such detail such technical expertise 2105 01:25:20,290 --> 01:25:18,380 about how it was done and even how the 2106 01:25:22,330 --> 01:25:20,300 things were propelled apparently used a 2107 01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:22,340 form of liquid mercury in some fashion 2108 01:25:27,370 --> 01:25:25,130 so there's a great deal in our history 2109 01:25:29,770 --> 01:25:27,380 we just don't seem to remember I think 2110 01:25:32,470 --> 01:25:29,780 we have racial amnesia I think when a 2111 01:25:34,870 --> 01:25:32,480 war broke out around 12,000 years ago is 2112 01:25:36,550 --> 01:25:34,880 an interstellar war the Vedic texts talk 2113 01:25:36,700 --> 01:25:36,560 about it happening in space and even on 2114 01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:36,710 the 2115 01:25:46,570 --> 01:25:43,610 what sounds very much like what might 2116 01:25:48,760 --> 01:25:46,580 have been a nuclear war Wow 2117 01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:48,770 hey well we have a caller what do you 2118 01:25:55,120 --> 01:25:51,770 think we have Vince calling from Ohio 2119 01:25:57,660 --> 01:25:55,130 Vince welcome to the show hi good to 2120 01:26:00,640 --> 01:25:57,670 finally call been listening for years oh 2121 01:26:03,459 --> 01:26:00,650 well thank you for calling and glad 2122 01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:03,469 you've been listening for a long time do 2123 01:26:08,709 --> 01:26:05,770 you have a comment or a question for Rob 2124 01:26:11,350 --> 01:26:08,719 yeah tonight's guest I wanted to ask him 2125 01:26:13,479 --> 01:26:11,360 if he believes everything that we've 2126 01:26:16,750 --> 01:26:13,489 been told from NASA about the Apollo 2127 01:26:20,050 --> 01:26:16,760 projects and their missions their goals 2128 01:26:22,540 --> 01:26:20,060 and if he believes also when we talk 2129 01:26:25,080 --> 01:26:22,550 about visible structures on the moon if 2130 01:26:27,880 --> 01:26:25,090 he thinks that those are real I 2131 01:26:29,530 --> 01:26:27,890 absolutely think we have been lied to by 2132 01:26:31,780 --> 01:26:29,540 NASA and our government on numerous 2133 01:26:34,540 --> 01:26:31,790 occasions I'm not sure what the reasons 2134 01:26:36,340 --> 01:26:34,550 were I've seen direct evidence of it 2135 01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:36,350 there was a case of a shuttlecraft in 2136 01:26:39,010 --> 01:26:37,610 orbit around Earth that had a female 2137 01:26:42,070 --> 01:26:39,020 commander I could not think of her name 2138 01:26:43,570 --> 01:26:42,080 I was watching it live and she's 2139 01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:43,580 floating there and talking over the 2140 01:26:48,820 --> 01:26:45,530 microphone she says oh there's that 2141 01:26:50,680 --> 01:26:48,830 alien spacecraft again immediately the 2142 01:26:52,120 --> 01:26:50,690 sound cut out she was still on screen 2143 01:26:53,470 --> 01:26:52,130 still floating around and you could see 2144 01:26:55,240 --> 01:26:53,480 she was still talking but you couldn't 2145 01:26:57,850 --> 01:26:55,250 hear they'd switched her to a private 2146 01:26:59,290 --> 01:26:57,860 channel so this goes on a lot yes I 2147 01:27:01,120 --> 01:26:59,300 think there are structures on the moon 2148 01:27:03,550 --> 01:27:01,130 and I think they have been deliberately 2149 01:27:05,620 --> 01:27:03,560 hidden from us excised from photos we 2150 01:27:07,240 --> 01:27:05,630 have quite a bit of evidence that a lot 2151 01:27:08,910 --> 01:27:07,250 of the NASA photographs were retouched 2152 01:27:10,959 --> 01:27:08,920 even on their own website 2153 01:27:12,700 --> 01:27:10,969 high-resolution photos were taken off 2154 01:27:14,170 --> 01:27:12,710 shortly after they were put up in low 2155 01:27:14,740 --> 01:27:14,180 resolution photos were put in their 2156 01:27:16,690 --> 01:27:14,750 place 2157 01:27:18,700 --> 01:27:16,700 NASA says this was because of the 2158 01:27:21,130 --> 01:27:18,710 consumption of memory the Huayra 2159 01:27:23,080 --> 01:27:21,140 photographs took which is ridiculous 2160 01:27:24,640 --> 01:27:23,090 NASA is a fairly well-off organization 2161 01:27:27,160 --> 01:27:24,650 it can afford a little extra memory for 2162 01:27:28,810 --> 01:27:27,170 its website but we I think we get lied 2163 01:27:32,140 --> 01:27:28,820 to all the time I think there's 2164 01:27:33,610 --> 01:27:32,150 obfuscation I think we're being led by 2165 01:27:35,320 --> 01:27:33,620 the nose and we're being kept in the 2166 01:27:38,440 --> 01:27:35,330 dark about a great many things including 2167 01:27:41,530 --> 01:27:38,450 UFOs that's great to hear you say that I 2168 01:27:44,350 --> 01:27:41,540 believe 100% what you just said and I 2169 01:27:47,140 --> 01:27:44,360 don't understand the line either I mean 2170 01:27:48,670 --> 01:27:47,150 we were open society supposedly but it's 2171 01:27:50,340 --> 01:27:48,680 good to hear you say that thank you very 2172 01:27:53,350 --> 01:27:50,350 much thank you 2173 01:27:54,280 --> 01:27:53,360 finn's thanks for the call you got 2174 01:27:59,260 --> 01:27:54,290 Martin tapes 2175 01:28:01,000 --> 01:27:59,270 alright so anyway the lines are open if 2176 01:28:03,340 --> 01:28:01,010 anyone else wants to call again that 2177 01:28:07,180 --> 01:28:03,350 phone number is eight five five four 2178 01:28:11,050 --> 01:28:07,190 seven two five four eight three you 2179 01:28:14,320 --> 01:28:11,060 won't call in so yeah I have heard that 2180 01:28:16,270 --> 01:28:14,330 story before about the audio I'm 2181 01:28:18,820 --> 01:28:16,280 wondering well I mean I actually saw it 2182 01:28:20,440 --> 01:28:18,830 I actually did you know I've gone online 2183 01:28:22,420 --> 01:28:20,450 since there repeatedly to try to get 2184 01:28:24,520 --> 01:28:22,430 that that clip of that I want you to 2185 01:28:26,200 --> 01:28:24,530 download it it's gone you can't find it 2186 01:28:28,030 --> 01:28:26,210 anywhere if you can please let me know 2187 01:28:29,860 --> 01:28:28,040 I'd love to get a copy of that but I 2188 01:28:32,920 --> 01:28:29,870 watched it live and then try to get it 2189 01:28:35,200 --> 01:28:32,930 later and it's just not there I wonder 2190 01:28:39,730 --> 01:28:35,210 if anyone's ever tried to question the 2191 01:28:42,550 --> 01:28:39,740 astronaut herself about that I haven't 2192 01:28:44,080 --> 01:28:42,560 heard if they have and other astronauts 2193 01:28:47,050 --> 01:28:44,090 have come forth and talked about it 2194 01:28:48,450 --> 01:28:47,060 about different things and they're 2195 01:28:50,710 --> 01:28:48,460 convinced there's an alien civilization 2196 01:28:52,450 --> 01:28:50,720 several of them saw UFOs before they 2197 01:28:54,700 --> 01:28:52,460 went on these Apollo missions or into 2198 01:28:58,000 --> 01:28:54,710 space at all there have been sightings 2199 01:29:00,160 --> 01:28:58,010 very recently in June of this year by 2200 01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:00,170 the ISS the International Space Station 2201 01:29:05,500 --> 01:29:03,770 of a large triangle and I mean we've got 2202 01:29:06,910 --> 01:29:05,510 clear photographic evidence of it and 2203 01:29:09,370 --> 01:29:06,920 then NASA comes out with this 2204 01:29:11,260 --> 01:29:09,380 obfuscation like your caller was just 2205 01:29:12,970 --> 01:29:11,270 talking about where they said oh it's 2206 01:29:15,070 --> 01:29:12,980 probably the lights of the city on the 2207 01:29:16,360 --> 01:29:15,080 earth below in the background wrong 2208 01:29:19,150 --> 01:29:16,370 direction for the earth number one 2209 01:29:22,330 --> 01:29:19,160 number two that was over Outer Mongolia 2210 01:29:25,000 --> 01:29:22,340 and Russia and Siberia where there's no 2211 01:29:26,940 --> 01:29:25,010 City and also no city pattern of lights 2212 01:29:29,590 --> 01:29:26,950 in that area or anywhere near there 2213 01:29:31,780 --> 01:29:29,600 shows the same triangular pattern as 2214 01:29:34,600 --> 01:29:31,790 these lights too so again we have some 2215 01:29:37,480 --> 01:29:34,610 inane explanation for what they might be 2216 01:29:39,310 --> 01:29:37,490 but never the truth now no one in there 2217 01:29:41,980 --> 01:29:39,320 with any common sense would say oh yeah 2218 01:29:43,930 --> 01:29:41,990 that was just a city on earth but they 2219 01:29:46,240 --> 01:29:43,940 come up with the most outlandish reasons 2220 01:29:47,710 --> 01:29:46,250 one commercial pilots seeing UFOs along 2221 01:29:50,760 --> 01:29:47,720 with this co-pilot navigator and a 2222 01:29:52,360 --> 01:29:50,770 flight attendant for 20 or 30 minutes 2223 01:29:54,370 --> 01:29:52,370 described it in detail 2224 01:29:56,140 --> 01:29:54,380 ground control headed on their radar for 2225 01:29:58,900 --> 01:29:56,150 a brief time another plane spotted it as 2226 01:30:01,210 --> 01:29:58,910 well and the government said oh it was 2227 01:30:03,620 --> 01:30:01,220 probably a Firefly trapped between the 2228 01:30:06,050 --> 01:30:03,630 two panes of the windshield of the jet 2229 01:30:07,520 --> 01:30:06,060 number one at 38,000 feet that little 2230 01:30:08,840 --> 01:30:07,530 Firefly would be frozen stiff he 2231 01:30:10,640 --> 01:30:08,850 wouldn't be moving and flying around 2232 01:30:12,290 --> 01:30:10,650 number two how would he have gotten in 2233 01:30:15,080 --> 01:30:12,300 there and number three how could trained 2234 01:30:16,910 --> 01:30:15,090 people on the plane not recognize it for 2235 01:30:18,080 --> 01:30:16,920 what it was and number four why were 2236 01:30:20,360 --> 01:30:18,090 they getting radar of it on the ground 2237 01:30:24,470 --> 01:30:20,370 so again some of these explanations are 2238 01:30:28,370 --> 01:30:24,480 just stupid I would say probably about 2239 01:30:30,200 --> 01:30:28,380 five or six years ago I contacted Alan 2240 01:30:32,330 --> 01:30:30,210 bean because he was actually he is a 2241 01:30:34,610 --> 01:30:32,340 fourth man on the moon and he was 2242 01:30:36,710 --> 01:30:34,620 actually on another show that I do about 2243 01:30:39,050 --> 01:30:36,720 antiques and fine art he was an amazing 2244 01:30:42,950 --> 01:30:39,060 painter we lost him last year he passed 2245 01:30:44,600 --> 01:30:42,960 away but I did contact him and said I 2246 01:30:47,180 --> 01:30:44,610 know you may think this is out there do 2247 01:30:48,800 --> 01:30:47,190 a show now about UFOs would you be 2248 01:30:53,390 --> 01:30:48,810 willing to talk about it and he just 2249 01:30:55,640 --> 01:30:53,400 wrote back no so he had the Skylab 2250 01:30:58,730 --> 01:30:55,650 incident I think it was 1973 or 2251 01:31:01,690 --> 01:30:58,740 something like that were they him and I 2252 01:31:06,230 --> 01:31:01,700 think two other people had quite very 2253 01:31:08,150 --> 01:31:06,240 unusual UFO sighting and I think he 2254 01:31:10,430 --> 01:31:08,160 personally did not want to talk about it 2255 01:31:14,030 --> 01:31:10,440 because you know he thought it would be 2256 01:31:16,940 --> 01:31:14,040 not a good thing to do for you know for 2257 01:31:18,950 --> 01:31:16,950 his reputation or whatever but I don't 2258 01:31:20,810 --> 01:31:18,960 know if they're told not to speak of it 2259 01:31:23,870 --> 01:31:20,820 I mean have you ever heard anyone say 2260 01:31:25,340 --> 01:31:23,880 that they had a conference a few years 2261 01:31:27,050 --> 01:31:25,350 back where they had a lot of pilots 2262 01:31:29,150 --> 01:31:27,060 military and even a couple astronauts 2263 01:31:30,500 --> 01:31:29,160 there some of the astronauts have come 2264 01:31:32,270 --> 01:31:30,510 out and said they believe there are 2265 01:31:34,430 --> 01:31:32,280 alien civilizations what even said 2266 01:31:35,780 --> 01:31:34,440 you're definitely are aliens we're their 2267 01:31:37,060 --> 01:31:35,790 firm we're not sure but it must be from 2268 01:31:39,950 --> 01:31:37,070 somewhere else in the solar system 2269 01:31:41,810 --> 01:31:39,960 Apollo 11 saw something tracking them as 2270 01:31:43,190 --> 01:31:41,820 they were heading towards the moon NASA 2271 01:31:44,840 --> 01:31:43,200 said oh you're probably seeing your own 2272 01:31:46,340 --> 01:31:44,850 booster and they said no we see the 2273 01:31:47,960 --> 01:31:46,350 booster we know what that is 2274 01:31:49,670 --> 01:31:47,970 this is something entirely different we 2275 01:31:51,380 --> 01:31:49,680 don't know what it is and it couldn't be 2276 01:31:54,140 --> 01:31:51,390 ice crystals because it was too far away 2277 01:31:57,500 --> 01:31:54,150 to be ice crystals so whatever it was it 2278 01:31:59,420 --> 01:31:57,510 was following them and they said it but 2279 01:32:01,160 --> 01:31:59,430 yes it's the third rail again their 2280 01:32:03,220 --> 01:32:01,170 careers would have been over their 2281 01:32:05,330 --> 01:32:03,230 legacies would have been destroyed 2282 01:32:07,700 --> 01:32:05,340 government pressure must be incredible 2283 01:32:09,950 --> 01:32:07,710 on people like that I mean the pilot of 2284 01:32:12,470 --> 01:32:09,960 the Japanese airline jetliner over 2285 01:32:14,060 --> 01:32:12,480 Alaska where I saw a UFO and another 2286 01:32:15,830 --> 01:32:14,070 plane saw it too and ground control had 2287 01:32:17,450 --> 01:32:15,840 it on their radar for a while and they 2288 01:32:20,210 --> 01:32:17,460 it was it plagued this plane for 2289 01:32:22,940 --> 01:32:20,220 long time well he reported it he ended 2290 01:32:24,860 --> 01:32:22,950 up as a desk job commercial pilots often 2291 01:32:26,330 --> 01:32:24,870 are made to go through psychiatric 2292 01:32:29,450 --> 01:32:26,340 evaluations if they want to report a UFO 2293 01:32:32,810 --> 01:32:29,460 I heard a live transcript of one and the 2294 01:32:34,670 --> 01:32:32,820 actual recording and he's reciting all 2295 01:32:37,310 --> 01:32:34,680 this not the Japanese pilot an American 2296 01:32:40,130 --> 01:32:37,320 pilot and they finally said would you 2297 01:32:42,410 --> 01:32:40,140 like to report UFO because I know I 2298 01:32:45,920 --> 01:32:42,420 don't want to report one of those mm 2299 01:32:48,320 --> 01:32:45,930 yeah hopefully that will change you know 2300 01:32:49,760 --> 01:32:48,330 I think you know since the Navy has come 2301 01:32:53,150 --> 01:32:49,770 out and said that they're going to 2302 01:32:55,910 --> 01:32:53,160 actually have an open door for pilots to 2303 01:32:59,180 --> 01:32:55,920 report UFOs I think you're going to see 2304 01:33:02,270 --> 01:32:59,190 more and more of associations and 2305 01:33:04,280 --> 01:33:02,280 military fall in place with that well 2306 01:33:06,890 --> 01:33:04,290 absolutely and it has been leaking out I 2307 01:33:08,840 --> 01:33:06,900 mean the government is schizophrenic on 2308 01:33:10,940 --> 01:33:08,850 the one hand a closed project Bluebook 2309 01:33:12,650 --> 01:33:10,950 because there's no real evidence for 2310 01:33:14,630 --> 01:33:12,660 UFOs and it was a waste of government 2311 01:33:17,360 --> 01:33:14,640 money and yeah we find out they had a 2312 01:33:19,880 --> 01:33:17,370 secret government program they pumped 2313 01:33:23,750 --> 01:33:19,890 millions into a tip which was to 2314 01:33:27,830 --> 01:33:23,760 ascertain the threat of such things in 2315 01:33:30,290 --> 01:33:27,840 our skies now and that came out you know 2316 01:33:31,940 --> 01:33:30,300 not too long ago so if they don't think 2317 01:33:33,770 --> 01:33:31,950 there's any threat well why are they 2318 01:33:35,630 --> 01:33:33,780 pumping millions into it to find out if 2319 01:33:38,270 --> 01:33:35,640 there is a threat or if these objects if 2320 01:33:39,920 --> 01:33:38,280 they exist are a threat I think they 2321 01:33:41,120 --> 01:33:39,930 know the objects exist and I think 2322 01:33:43,340 --> 01:33:41,130 they're just wondering if they are a 2323 01:33:45,080 --> 01:33:43,350 danger my evidence seems to show that 2324 01:33:47,180 --> 01:33:45,090 not only do UFOs exist but they're 2325 01:33:49,730 --> 01:33:47,190 extremely dangerous it can be to 2326 01:33:51,830 --> 01:33:49,740 individuals and to the government and to 2327 01:33:54,740 --> 01:33:51,840 the world I mean when you have as many 2328 01:33:58,000 --> 01:33:54,750 injuries and property damages and deaths 2329 01:34:01,190 --> 01:33:58,010 you can't call them our space brothers 2330 01:34:03,410 --> 01:34:01,200 what what in particular I'm not familiar 2331 01:34:06,230 --> 01:34:03,420 with you know I've heard of one or two 2332 01:34:10,700 --> 01:34:06,240 deaths that people are associating with 2333 01:34:13,280 --> 01:34:10,710 UFO one of them was a pilot that went up 2334 01:34:15,980 --> 01:34:13,290 probably you know they said they may 2335 01:34:18,440 --> 01:34:15,990 have gone too high was chasing Venus or 2336 01:34:24,380 --> 01:34:18,450 whatever they were saying he was doing 2337 01:34:26,660 --> 01:34:24,390 yes that is so true to me and then there 2338 01:34:28,970 --> 01:34:26,670 was the Australian incident there's a 2339 01:34:30,560 --> 01:34:28,980 couple of them where people have you 2340 01:34:31,280 --> 01:34:30,570 know gone missing but when you're saying 2341 01:34:33,320 --> 01:34:31,290 injury 2342 01:34:35,900 --> 01:34:33,330 I'm not really familiar with that can 2343 01:34:38,240 --> 01:34:35,910 you cite some of that well first with 2344 01:34:41,210 --> 01:34:38,250 the deaths it started in the early 50s 2345 01:34:43,850 --> 01:34:41,220 with lieutenant Robert monk Allah and he 2346 01:34:46,580 --> 01:34:43,860 and his co-pilot intercepted a UFO that 2347 01:34:48,830 --> 01:34:46,590 was on radar from the ground the plane 2348 01:34:49,340 --> 01:34:48,840 seemed to merge with the UFO and that 2349 01:34:50,780 --> 01:34:49,350 was it 2350 01:34:54,200 --> 01:34:50,790 they vanished what other trace never 2351 01:34:58,310 --> 01:34:54,210 found any debris any material any bodies 2352 01:35:00,260 --> 01:34:58,320 nothing they just vanished and the the 2353 01:35:02,210 --> 01:35:00,270 UFO moved off towards Canada on the 2354 01:35:04,130 --> 01:35:02,220 screen entered Canadian airspace and 2355 01:35:05,390 --> 01:35:04,140 then vanished off their screen and we 2356 01:35:07,880 --> 01:35:05,400 don't know what happened to him 2357 01:35:09,980 --> 01:35:07,890 the Dyatlov pass orange orb sourcing 2358 01:35:12,950 --> 01:35:09,990 this guy at the time all the skiers were 2359 01:35:15,980 --> 01:35:12,960 killed in Russia Soviet Union in the 50s 2360 01:35:19,520 --> 01:35:15,990 we have the case of the young pilot in 2361 01:35:21,140 --> 01:35:19,530 Australia who reported a sighting kept 2362 01:35:22,820 --> 01:35:21,150 talking about two ground radar you can 2363 01:35:25,100 --> 01:35:22,830 get the transcripts anytime you want 2364 01:35:26,540 --> 01:35:25,110 them I have them and he talks about 2365 01:35:29,030 --> 01:35:26,550 these things buzzing him getting close 2366 01:35:31,700 --> 01:35:29,040 and there's a strange noise and he goes 2367 01:35:34,220 --> 01:35:31,710 off screen or off the air and we've 2368 01:35:36,320 --> 01:35:34,230 never found his plane or him we have 2369 01:35:39,230 --> 01:35:36,330 found cases of people with the near UFOs 2370 01:35:43,790 --> 01:35:39,240 have gotten radiation burns in Indiana 2371 01:35:45,950 --> 01:35:43,800 and Brazil they died shortly later we 2372 01:35:48,740 --> 01:35:45,960 have lost we've had people all over the 2373 01:35:53,210 --> 01:35:48,750 world having problems with radiation 2374 01:35:55,430 --> 01:35:53,220 sickness and also being paralyzed being 2375 01:35:57,620 --> 01:35:55,440 shot at when in Brazil said he was shot 2376 01:35:58,700 --> 01:35:57,630 at by the aliens and paralyzed and then 2377 01:36:00,710 --> 01:35:58,710 later on they went into health 2378 01:36:02,710 --> 01:36:00,720 deterioration became like children and 2379 01:36:08,480 --> 01:36:02,720 and then eventually died prematurely 2380 01:36:10,670 --> 01:36:08,490 this could in Texas same thing three 2381 01:36:12,020 --> 01:36:10,680 people two woman and a boy we're 2382 01:36:14,720 --> 01:36:12,030 involved they ended up in the hospital 2383 01:36:18,290 --> 01:36:14,730 at same night they were sick the doctors 2384 01:36:19,820 --> 01:36:18,300 sook ash Landrum yeah and the they 2385 01:36:21,770 --> 01:36:19,830 couldn't do anything for them except try 2386 01:36:23,180 --> 01:36:21,780 to get him better and after that the one 2387 01:36:24,590 --> 01:36:23,190 suffered they even sued the government 2388 01:36:26,090 --> 01:36:24,600 and lost because they couldn't get 2389 01:36:28,250 --> 01:36:26,100 enough proof that it was the 2390 01:36:30,320 --> 01:36:28,260 government's fault this goes on and on 2391 01:36:33,250 --> 01:36:30,330 and on property damage in Australia in 2392 01:36:35,870 --> 01:36:33,260 America and Europe all over the place 2393 01:36:37,940 --> 01:36:35,880 injuries people being abducted not to 2394 01:36:41,330 --> 01:36:37,950 mention the permanently disappeared in 2395 01:36:43,210 --> 01:36:41,340 America alone some 60 50 is made fifty 2396 01:36:44,930 --> 01:36:43,220 thousand the government FBI says sixty 2397 01:36:46,430 --> 01:36:44,940 thousand people disappear 2398 01:36:48,320 --> 01:36:46,440 in this country every year that we can't 2399 01:36:50,030 --> 01:36:48,330 account for actually it's closer to a 2400 01:36:51,530 --> 01:36:50,040 million over 900,000 every year but we 2401 01:36:53,570 --> 01:36:51,540 can account for them murderers 2402 01:36:55,100 --> 01:36:53,580 abductions parents stealing the other 2403 01:36:56,920 --> 01:36:55,110 child from the other parent I mean 2404 01:36:59,210 --> 01:36:56,930 that's a child from the other parent 2405 01:37:01,130 --> 01:36:59,220 people being kidnapped people being 2406 01:37:03,140 --> 01:37:01,140 buried once you get rid of all of that 2407 01:37:04,730 --> 01:37:03,150 you're still left with about fifty to 2408 01:37:07,280 --> 01:37:04,740 sixty thousand more conservative than 2409 01:37:08,660 --> 01:37:07,290 the FBI they say sixty I say fifty but 2410 01:37:10,190 --> 01:37:08,670 they never show up again they're never 2411 01:37:12,200 --> 01:37:10,200 seen any word they didn't start a new 2412 01:37:14,420 --> 01:37:12,210 life there's no sign of them Australia 2413 01:37:16,130 --> 01:37:14,430 close to 30,000 so many people have 2414 01:37:18,440 --> 01:37:16,140 disappeared in Alaska that that I 2415 01:37:20,900 --> 01:37:18,450 calculated was approximately 7% of the 2416 01:37:23,420 --> 01:37:20,910 population of Alaska over about a 12 2417 01:37:24,950 --> 01:37:23,430 year period and it's so extreme up there 2418 01:37:27,560 --> 01:37:24,960 that they refer to it as the Alaskan 2419 01:37:29,150 --> 01:37:27,570 Triangle and this goes on in every 2420 01:37:31,100 --> 01:37:29,160 country around the world add it all up 2421 01:37:33,500 --> 01:37:31,110 you're talking hundreds of thousands of 2422 01:37:36,410 --> 01:37:33,510 permanently disappeared people every 2423 01:37:38,840 --> 01:37:36,420 single year unaccounted for never seen 2424 01:37:43,910 --> 01:37:38,850 again or heard from again so if you were 2425 01:37:47,480 --> 01:37:43,920 if you were calculating the you already 2426 01:37:50,300 --> 01:37:47,490 said that are some of these are because 2427 01:37:52,580 --> 01:37:50,310 of kidnapping and you know possibly 2428 01:37:55,820 --> 01:37:52,590 murders or whatever yes these are just a 2429 01:37:58,220 --> 01:37:55,830 few were to if you were to like softly 2430 01:38:01,550 --> 01:37:58,230 say that the unknowns part of that 2431 01:38:05,450 --> 01:38:01,560 unknowns would have to do with things 2432 01:38:07,460 --> 01:38:05,460 that we could just not be found out but 2433 01:38:10,130 --> 01:38:07,470 you'd still have a number you don't have 2434 01:38:13,190 --> 01:38:10,140 a number even if if you if there was an 2435 01:38:15,980 --> 01:38:13,200 answer for all those missing people 2436 01:38:17,810 --> 01:38:15,990 well you can't pretty you can't really 2437 01:38:19,310 --> 01:38:17,820 do that what you're basically saying is 2438 01:38:22,340 --> 01:38:19,320 even though the federal government has 2439 01:38:24,020 --> 01:38:22,350 discounted all 95% of these 2440 01:38:26,180 --> 01:38:24,030 disappearances as being murder 2441 01:38:27,380 --> 01:38:26,190 kidnapping whatever and then say well of 2442 01:38:30,080 --> 01:38:27,390 the remaining maybe a lot of those are 2443 01:38:32,630 --> 01:38:30,090 too it's like know they've accounted for 2444 01:38:34,220 --> 01:38:32,640 that their conservative estimated 60,000 2445 01:38:35,570 --> 01:38:34,230 who simply cannot be accounted for and 2446 01:38:36,830 --> 01:38:35,580 they don't think they were murdered they 2447 01:38:38,270 --> 01:38:36,840 don't think they started a new life they 2448 01:38:39,680 --> 01:38:38,280 don't think they're abducted they don't 2449 01:38:42,470 --> 01:38:39,690 think they were kidnapped they can't 2450 01:38:44,810 --> 01:38:42,480 account for how this happened any more 2451 01:38:46,250 --> 01:38:44,820 than you can say that 95 percent of UFOs 2452 01:38:48,200 --> 01:38:46,260 have been accounted for as something 2453 01:38:50,240 --> 01:38:48,210 more mundane or possibly more mundane 2454 01:38:52,100 --> 01:38:50,250 but there's the 5% you simply cannot 2455 01:38:54,410 --> 01:38:52,110 account for and the evidence is so 2456 01:38:54,860 --> 01:38:54,420 powerful that you have to assume it's a 2457 01:38:58,729 --> 01:38:54,870 UFO 2458 01:39:01,729 --> 01:38:58,739 is the government spending millions 2459 01:39:03,020 --> 01:39:01,739 investigating them as a threat so if the 2460 01:39:06,109 --> 01:39:03,030 government's paying money to do that 2461 01:39:10,009 --> 01:39:06,119 they exist in eating 2462 01:39:13,969 --> 01:39:10,019 okay well we have Ronald from Minnesota 2463 01:39:15,709 --> 01:39:13,979 Ronald welcome to the show hi Martin how 2464 01:39:17,239 --> 01:39:15,719 you doing thank you for your great yes 2465 01:39:17,959 --> 01:39:17,249 thank you Robert for being a guest 2466 01:39:23,359 --> 01:39:17,969 tonight 2467 01:39:25,160 --> 01:39:23,369 well thank you you know I love animated 2468 01:39:29,989 --> 01:39:25,170 series called Peter Rama 2469 01:39:32,989 --> 01:39:29,999 I don't you ever seen that but into time 2470 01:39:35,060 --> 01:39:32,999 an adult animated series about twenty 2471 01:39:37,520 --> 01:39:35,070 thirteen characters would get into all 2472 01:39:40,759 --> 01:39:37,530 kinds of trouble and one of the things 2473 01:39:47,750 --> 01:39:40,769 to talk about is they have a landing 2474 01:39:50,270 --> 01:39:47,760 base inside the moon popular culture 2475 01:39:51,799 --> 01:39:50,280 because you know it's been in our 2476 01:39:55,129 --> 01:39:51,809 ingredient our culture now for a number 2477 01:40:00,259 --> 01:39:55,139 of decades actually right I'm trying a 2478 01:40:02,660 --> 01:40:00,269 new feature here Martin build producer 2479 01:40:03,919 --> 01:40:02,670 bill told me about calling on skype I 2480 01:40:05,930 --> 01:40:03,929 didn't know how to do that 2481 01:40:08,180 --> 01:40:05,940 I just learned tonight I could do that 2482 01:40:10,160 --> 01:40:08,190 without having to use my cell phone and 2483 01:40:13,250 --> 01:40:10,170 I don't know how I sound and get some 2484 01:40:16,609 --> 01:40:13,260 sounds all right sounds good yeah thank 2485 01:40:19,819 --> 01:40:16,619 you thank you for having the opportunity 2486 01:40:24,489 --> 01:40:19,829 to call and thank you for the phone line 2487 01:40:28,040 --> 01:40:24,499 and I will be using this way a lot more 2488 01:40:30,709 --> 01:40:28,050 great I just wanted to reference that 2489 01:40:34,479 --> 01:40:30,719 cartoon and kind of fill in and also 2490 01:40:39,169 --> 01:40:34,489 quick question about the Genesis account 2491 01:40:41,299 --> 01:40:39,179 of the formation of the moon and how 2492 01:40:43,009 --> 01:40:41,309 long God created not that i morning get 2493 01:40:46,129 --> 01:40:43,019 religious for anything but just going to 2494 01:40:49,459 --> 01:40:46,139 the Genesis account not how God created 2495 01:40:51,770 --> 01:40:49,469 the greater light then in the daytime in 2496 01:40:54,589 --> 01:40:51,780 the lesser light in the evening these 2497 01:40:57,229 --> 01:40:54,599 are historical records that are of 2498 01:40:59,569 --> 01:40:57,239 course in Genesis but in other writings 2499 01:41:03,669 --> 01:40:59,579 as well so how do you account for those 2500 01:41:07,160 --> 01:41:03,679 writings and what do you think on that 2501 01:41:10,279 --> 01:41:07,170 perception of the creation of the Moon 2502 01:41:11,490 --> 01:41:10,289 or whatever where it came from Elvis and 2503 01:41:14,730 --> 01:41:11,500 all T of the 2504 01:41:18,720 --> 01:41:14,740 all Anila terminals : thank you alright 2505 01:41:23,850 --> 01:41:18,730 Ronald thanks to the call and would you 2506 01:41:26,640 --> 01:41:23,860 like to answer that yeah okay would be 2507 01:41:28,020 --> 01:41:26,650 number one there do seem to be different 2508 01:41:30,330 --> 01:41:28,030 texts in the Bible that do seem to 2509 01:41:32,880 --> 01:41:30,340 really relate and seem to mirror the 2510 01:41:34,290 --> 01:41:32,890 talk about Sitchin and his work done 2511 01:41:36,540 --> 01:41:34,300 with cuneiform writings and the 2512 01:41:38,850 --> 01:41:36,550 Sumerians like the watchers for instance 2513 01:41:41,820 --> 01:41:38,860 the Giants all that sort of thing 2514 01:41:43,860 --> 01:41:41,830 secondly every culture has its creation 2515 01:41:45,570 --> 01:41:43,870 theories and myths and some of them are 2516 01:41:46,590 --> 01:41:45,580 quite strange to the Japanese used to 2517 01:41:49,620 --> 01:41:46,600 believe the Oracle is carried on the 2518 01:41:52,290 --> 01:41:49,630 back of a giant turtle none of us 2519 01:41:55,020 --> 01:41:52,300 believe that today we do denigrate and 2520 01:41:56,970 --> 01:41:55,030 laugh at other peoples history we laugh 2521 01:41:58,530 --> 01:41:56,980 at the Indians because of their Vedic 2522 01:42:00,410 --> 01:41:58,540 texts and what they say was their 2523 01:42:02,760 --> 01:42:00,420 history so I don't laugh at any 2524 01:42:06,300 --> 01:42:02,770 historical record of any sort how 2525 01:42:08,520 --> 01:42:06,310 accurate it is is another matter a lot 2526 01:42:10,860 --> 01:42:08,530 of the Old Testament the Bible was 2527 01:42:12,840 --> 01:42:10,870 written at different points and from 2528 01:42:14,190 --> 01:42:12,850 different perspectives and so certain 2529 01:42:17,040 --> 01:42:14,200 things were stressed and other things 2530 01:42:19,350 --> 01:42:17,050 weren't and for instance the Jews were 2531 01:42:21,270 --> 01:42:19,360 kept in captivity by the Babylonians for 2532 01:42:23,310 --> 01:42:21,280 quite a while and they absorbed a good 2533 01:42:27,000 --> 01:42:23,320 deal of the Babylonian cultural myths 2534 01:42:28,530 --> 01:42:27,010 including Noah the the Babylonians had 2535 01:42:31,260 --> 01:42:28,540 the idea of the Great Flood and 2536 01:42:34,080 --> 01:42:31,270 Gilgamesh surviving on a raft that sort 2537 01:42:35,610 --> 01:42:34,090 of thing and and you find very much the 2538 01:42:36,990 --> 01:42:35,620 same thing with know in the Bible and 2539 01:42:39,120 --> 01:42:37,000 then you have to remember that the 2540 01:42:41,340 --> 01:42:39,130 Jewish people were in captivity in 2541 01:42:43,740 --> 01:42:41,350 Babylon and so they did absorb some of 2542 01:42:45,960 --> 01:42:43,750 it so how much is true how much is here 2543 01:42:48,780 --> 01:42:45,970 saying how much is sheer myth and legend 2544 01:42:50,550 --> 01:42:48,790 hard to say but I have no problem 2545 01:42:52,830 --> 01:42:50,560 looking into the Bible to try to find 2546 01:42:55,320 --> 01:42:52,840 evidence for all of this it is another 2547 01:42:59,940 --> 01:42:55,330 resource after all and an old one so it 2548 01:43:03,240 --> 01:42:59,950 should be valued as such interesting Wow 2549 01:43:05,250 --> 01:43:03,250 so we only have about four minutes left 2550 01:43:08,250 --> 01:43:05,260 and I promised you that you could talk 2551 01:43:12,650 --> 01:43:08,260 about your your latest book the Mandela 2552 01:43:17,550 --> 01:43:15,420 wraps you know do something at wrapping 2553 01:43:17,940 --> 01:43:17,560 in four minutes or not but try to if you 2554 01:43:19,950 --> 01:43:17,950 would 2555 01:43:21,180 --> 01:43:19,960 well the Mandela effect everyone thinks 2556 01:43:24,110 --> 01:43:21,190 is just false memories people 2557 01:43:25,390 --> 01:43:24,120 remembering things wrongly not so 2558 01:43:26,860 --> 01:43:25,400 psychiatrists say 2559 01:43:28,870 --> 01:43:26,870 false memories but even they admit that 2560 01:43:30,280 --> 01:43:28,880 they can't account for how many people 2561 01:43:32,260 --> 01:43:30,290 how many different cultures races 2562 01:43:35,140 --> 01:43:32,270 civilizations around the world have 2563 01:43:37,209 --> 01:43:35,150 these so-called false memories secondly 2564 01:43:38,760 --> 01:43:37,219 this is just false memories there is 2565 01:43:41,439 --> 01:43:38,770 actual physical evidence of 2566 01:43:44,380 --> 01:43:41,449 contradictory information about our past 2567 01:43:45,760 --> 01:43:44,390 timeline for instance the CIA and you 2568 01:43:47,380 --> 01:43:45,770 can get them online now instead of the 2569 01:43:50,110 --> 01:43:47,390 Freedom of Information Act has 2570 01:43:51,729 --> 01:43:50,120 conflicting accounts of the same event 2571 01:43:54,669 --> 01:43:51,739 turning out two distinctly different 2572 01:43:57,490 --> 01:43:54,679 ways in our history recent history now 2573 01:44:00,220 --> 01:43:57,500 on top of that there is evidence on maps 2574 01:44:02,140 --> 01:44:00,230 and globes that these have changed there 2575 01:44:03,939 --> 01:44:02,150 is a landmass south of Australia and the 2576 01:44:05,350 --> 01:44:03,949 movie dazed confused on a globe in a 2577 01:44:07,540 --> 01:44:05,360 schoolroom that they use and it was 2578 01:44:09,729 --> 01:44:07,550 filmed on location with a real school 2579 01:44:13,060 --> 01:44:09,739 globe there is no landmass to the west 2580 01:44:14,500 --> 01:44:13,070 of Australia friends shows a landmass to 2581 01:44:16,870 --> 01:44:14,510 the southwest of Australia it's not 2582 01:44:18,970 --> 01:44:16,880 Tasmania shows that too but there's an 2583 01:44:21,399 --> 01:44:18,980 island to the southwest it's not there I 2584 01:44:24,459 --> 01:44:21,409 looked it up and did some research and 2585 01:44:26,590 --> 01:44:24,469 found a globe in I Dream of Jeannie used 2586 01:44:28,540 --> 01:44:26,600 in the fourth season that shows a 2587 01:44:30,880 --> 01:44:28,550 landmass to the west of Australia as 2588 01:44:33,160 --> 01:44:30,890 well as a large island to the southwest 2589 01:44:36,340 --> 01:44:33,170 of South America and a large landmass in 2590 01:44:39,910 --> 01:44:36,350 the Pacific roughly parallel with the 2591 01:44:41,770 --> 01:44:39,920 Central America and we have all the 2592 01:44:43,360 --> 01:44:41,780 disappearing islands like Sandy Hook and 2593 01:44:45,580 --> 01:44:43,370 the South Pacific just disappeared three 2594 01:44:47,740 --> 01:44:45,590 years ago you have hi Brazil which was 2595 01:44:49,689 --> 01:44:47,750 on maps mirrors disappeared and of 2596 01:44:52,540 --> 01:44:49,699 course you can even think about Atlantis 2597 01:44:54,280 --> 01:44:52,550 if you want to so we and also for its 2598 01:44:56,380 --> 01:44:54,290 insignia it's changed 2599 01:44:58,660 --> 01:44:56,390 they said it's been the same forever it 2600 01:45:01,209 --> 01:44:58,670 hasn't been we have found old cars and 2601 01:45:03,310 --> 01:45:01,219 junkyards that show the old insignia on 2602 01:45:05,530 --> 01:45:03,320 the back of the car and the new insignia 2603 01:45:08,590 --> 01:45:05,540 on the front I call it new they insist 2604 01:45:10,300 --> 01:45:08,600 it's been there since 1912 there was a 2605 01:45:12,820 --> 01:45:10,310 medallion struck for a World's Fair it 2606 01:45:15,760 --> 01:45:12,830 shows Ford without that little curlicue 2607 01:45:17,320 --> 01:45:15,770 on the F and then there's another 2608 01:45:19,090 --> 01:45:17,330 medallion from the same ferry that 2609 01:45:20,950 --> 01:45:19,100 doesn't show it in Fords adamant they 2610 01:45:23,740 --> 01:45:20,960 only had the one struck for that fair 2611 01:45:25,899 --> 01:45:23,750 not two different versions this goes on 2612 01:45:27,640 --> 01:45:25,909 and on all over the place people get 2613 01:45:29,919 --> 01:45:27,650 things wrong and they get it wrong all 2614 01:45:33,399 --> 01:45:29,929 the same way like the color chartreuse 2615 01:45:36,070 --> 01:45:33,409 what colors chartreuse Martin I couldn't 2616 01:45:37,990 --> 01:45:36,080 even guess okay most people not most 2617 01:45:39,020 --> 01:45:38,000 people but half people say it's lime 2618 01:45:41,120 --> 01:45:39,030 green which 2619 01:45:42,770 --> 01:45:41,130 my timeline it is the other half get it 2620 01:45:45,439 --> 01:45:42,780 wrong and say it's red reddish-purple 2621 01:45:46,700 --> 01:45:45,449 maroon they don't say it's blue they 2622 01:45:48,080 --> 01:45:46,710 don't say it's orange they don't see 2623 01:45:50,569 --> 01:45:48,090 it's yellow and they all get it wrong 2624 01:45:52,790 --> 01:45:50,579 false memory fine but they all get it 2625 01:45:55,149 --> 01:45:52,800 wrong the same way well there's there's 2626 01:45:57,290 --> 01:45:55,159 a very good point about that with the 2627 01:46:00,200 --> 01:45:57,300 address or something that went online 2628 01:46:08,660 --> 01:46:00,210 that some people saw one color I mean it 2629 01:46:10,580 --> 01:46:08,670 was a big divide oh there's another this 2630 01:46:12,560 --> 01:46:10,590 is a little different this is stuff we 2631 01:46:15,049 --> 01:46:12,570 remembered all our lives as being true 2632 01:46:16,910 --> 01:46:15,059 but now no longer seems to be true Luke 2633 01:46:20,270 --> 01:46:16,920 I am your father from Star Wars he never 2634 01:46:21,950 --> 01:46:20,280 said it even the actor portrayed Darth 2635 01:46:23,810 --> 01:46:21,960 Vader says that's what he said in two 2636 01:46:25,430 --> 01:46:23,820 separate interviews but if you watch the 2637 01:46:27,830 --> 01:46:25,440 movie now it doesn't say Luke I am your 2638 01:46:30,140 --> 01:46:27,840 father says no I am your father 2639 01:46:32,299 --> 01:46:30,150 life is like a box of chocolates from 2640 01:46:35,020 --> 01:46:32,309 Forrest Gump it doesn't say that now it 2641 01:46:37,399 --> 01:46:35,030 says life was like a box of chocolates 2642 01:46:39,589 --> 01:46:37,409 this goes on and on with almost 2643 01:46:41,330 --> 01:46:39,599 everything in anything but ignore the 2644 01:46:44,149 --> 01:46:41,340 memories just go with the physical 2645 01:46:46,160 --> 01:46:44,159 evidence the medallions the coins coin 2646 01:46:48,100 --> 01:46:46,170 was found in Mexico it says in a wave 2647 01:46:50,359 --> 01:46:48,110 the al-amin iana meaning new Germany and 2648 01:46:51,950 --> 01:46:50,369 the date stamped on is twenty thirty 2649 01:46:53,810 --> 01:46:51,960 nine it's very hard to read because it's 2650 01:46:56,540 --> 01:46:53,820 a very old coin it was found in a 2651 01:46:59,330 --> 01:46:56,550 construction site in Mexico City again 2652 01:47:01,189 --> 01:46:59,340 this goes on and on how do we explain 2653 01:47:03,080 --> 01:47:01,199 all these how do i how do I explain 2654 01:47:05,089 --> 01:47:03,090 Globes and maps that show land masses 2655 01:47:07,189 --> 01:47:05,099 that have never existed in our timeline 2656 01:47:09,830 --> 01:47:07,199 how do you explain maps that show 2657 01:47:11,390 --> 01:47:09,840 islands that have now vanished but we're 2658 01:47:14,330 --> 01:47:11,400 on our maps for up to four or five 2659 01:47:17,450 --> 01:47:14,340 centuries we are out of time I'm sorry 2660 01:47:19,399 --> 01:47:17,460 to say so thank you so much I I 2661 01:47:21,350 --> 01:47:19,409 appreciate it was a fun show very 2662 01:47:23,510 --> 01:47:21,360 interesting oh I enjoyed it 2663 01:47:25,609 --> 01:47:23,520 I enjoyed very much and I hope you 2664 01:47:27,140 --> 01:47:25,619 audience did as well all right take care 2665 01:47:29,930 --> 01:47:27,150 now you have a good night 2666 01:47:32,359 --> 01:47:29,940 you too okay everyone we are plumb out 2667 01:47:34,790 --> 01:47:32,369 of time I'm sorry to cut this so short 2668 01:47:39,529 --> 01:47:34,800 but we'll be back next week with Dan 2669 01:47:40,790 --> 01:47:39,539 right about CIA UFO papers thanks so